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[Piratis]

Anybody born on the soil of Cyprus is cypriot by definition.

We don't have such a law, at least as far as settlers are concerned, and there is no such EU law either. Therefore keep your definitions for yourself. Those people are Turks, not Cypriots, that were brought illegally by Turkey to steal our land.

Why should they be expelled? Because they were born "illegally" maybe?

Because they do not belong here. If Turkish Cypriots want them to stay there is a way: Get married with them and share their properties with them.

Those people are citizens of the Turkish Republic of NOrthern Cyprus and if unification is achieved their rights will be violated by the people that demand their expulsion, not Turkey.

Their rights are violated by those that violate international law. This is Turkey and not us. We have warned them from the beginning and they should have known that what they were doing was illegal. If they didn't know the laws, then they should complain to Turkey that forced/helped them to this illegality. Ignorance of the law is never an excuse, I hope you know that.

[zan]

Their rights are violated by those that violate international law. This is Turkey and not us. We have warned them from the beginning and they should have known that what they were doing was illegal. If they didn't know the laws, then they should complain to Turkey that forced/helped them to this illegality. Ignorance of the law is never an excuse, I hope you know that.

Was signing the 1960 agreement and then breaking the agreement lawful then.

These arrangements were based on the equality and partnership of the Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots in the independence and the sovereignty of the island. The legitimacy of the 1960 partnership Republic lay in the joint presence and effective participation of both sides in all the organs of the state. Neither party had the right to rule the other, nor could one of the partners claim to be the government of the other. Basic articles of the constitution and the Treaties safeguarded the rights of the two equal peoples.
In addition to the internal balance thus created between the two constituent peoples of Cyprus,
the Treaties also established an external balance between the two respective motherlands. In this connection, Turkey and Greece would not be able to obtain a more favorable political or economic position than the other over Cyprus. As part of these balances the 1960 Agreements prohibited the membership of Cyprus in any international organization or pacts of Alliance in which both Turkey and Greece were not members.

[Simon]

Piratis you are absolutely right.

This is another clear case of TCs trying to take as much as they can get from the spoils of winning a war in 1974. The TCs are the lucky ones, as if Greece would have retaliated in placing troops on Cyprus and mounting air-strikes (as was originally planned) then the TCs lives in Cyprus would have been even worse and the GCs may have won the war. So the TCs can thank Greece for that.

The TCs call Piratis views old-fashioned and inflexible. This simply makes me laugh. How old-fashioned is the Turkish view? It is absolutely absurd, but seems to be true, that the TCs are trying to say that 18% is not a minority? The argument is that we now have two states etc and you want the GCs to just accept this? The Northern State is an illegal one and that is why it is not recognised anywhere (except Turkey suprisingly). Internationally, Cyprus is still one state, with an absolute Greek majority.

ALL refugees should be allowed to return to their homes if they want to. This is a fundamental, unqualified human right - and if the TCs want to join Europe, they'll have to get used to them. If the GCs then become the majority in the north and south, so be it (as Bir says), that is the way it was before and should be again.

Then, once united, the Cypriot people can choose the future of Cyprus, made up of GCs and TCs, with the GCs being the majority - that is the way it has ALWAYS been and always should be, and not have it imposed on them by outside powers.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis you are absolutely right.

This is another clear case of TCs trying to take as much as they can get from the spoils of winning a war in 1974. The TCs are the lucky ones, as if Greece would have retaliated in placing troops on Cyprus and mounting air-strikes (as was originally planned) then the TCs lives in Cyprus would have been even worse and the GCs may have won the war. So the TCs can thank Greece for that.

The TCs call Piratis views old-fashioned and inflexible. This simply makes me laugh. How old-fashioned is the Turkish view? It is absolutely absurd, but seems to be true, that the TCs are trying to say that 18% is not a minority? The argument is that we now have two states etc and you want the GCs to just accept this? The Northern State is an illegal one and that is why it is not recognised anywhere (except Turkey suprisingly). Internationally, Cyprus is still one state, with an absolute Greek majority.

ALL refugees should be allowed to return to their homes if they want to. This is a fundamental, unqualified human right - and if the TCs want to join Europe, they'll have to get used to them. If the GCs then become the majority in the north and south, so be it (as Bir says), that is the way it was before and should be again.

Then, once united, the Cypriot people can choose the future of Cyprus, made up of GCs and TCs, with the GCs being the majority - that is the way it has ALWAYS been and always should be, and not have it imposed on them by outside powers.

Dream on Simon... dont let us disturb you and bring you back to reality.

[Eric dayi]

VP, some people prefer to dream then wake up and realise that TPap is more for partitioning than the TC's are. TPap want's the GC's to be the sole rulers of Cyprus and would rather partition the island than share power with us Turks. That is the reality but most fail to see it because they are in a trance like dream and not only when sleeping.

[Simon]

That's right VP, talk your usual shit that has no solid foundations.

By the way Eric, I would to rather partition than allow TCs a 50:50 power share aswell, because that is giving even more away. At the moment you only have 37%, so if Cyprus becoming united means TCs getting a 50% say, for an 18% minority, then I to would rather stick with partition. You can stay isolated on your side, and we'll stay prospering in the EU on ours.

[Eric dayi]

That's right VP, talk your usual shit that has no solid foundations.

By the way Eric, I would to rather partition than allow TCs a 50:50 power share aswell, because that is giving even more away. At the moment you only have 37%, so if Cyprus becoming united means TCs getting a 50% say, for an 18% minority, then I to would rather stick with partition. You can stay isolated on your side, and we'll stay prospering in the EU on ours.

All things come to an end Simon and it could very well be that the prosperity in the South declines and increases in the TRNC, as it is the case at the moment to some extent.

And as for 50:50, if we are all "Cypriots" as some are saying then I don't see no problem in that, do you?

[Simon]

To some extent; that basically means to hardly any extent lol.

Further, if we are all merely "Cypriots" Eric then we wouldn't need power sharing or proportional representation at all would we? In that case, unite Cyprus, as I have said in my previous message and let the Cypriot people as a whole decide its fate and what type of Government it wants to have. This is the most democratic way and we wouldn't need a 50:50 split. The fact is the TCs are never going to go for that are they? Because they're just interested in snatching more power.

If the Turks end their occupation of Northern Cyprus, allow the refugees to return to their homes, then we can start talking about us all being Cypriots and the Cypriot people can vote for themselves, without saying they must elect 6 GC this, 4 TC that etc. They would then just be able to elect who they want.

[Simon]

Now isn't that the fairest solution?

[zan]

What you guys are forgetting is that the TCs owned 32.8% of the land in Cyprus before they were systematically slaughtered and burned out of their homes. Where would you put that into your equations??????