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[Eric dayi]

cypezokyli, my kids are in their 20's and speak their Mothers tounge and English, what do you think they have been taught about Greeks or GC's?

i would really hope that u have teached them also turkish. and i am not making fun now. i really believe that bilingual kids are advantaged.

Yes, my kids are bilingual.

by the way, do your kids also live/ study in osnabrück? thats kind of far from me, but if they are kind of more south we could meet.

We don't live in Germany anymore.

so eric is indeed right, but i disagree with the importance he gives to the subject.

Do you think the Greek soldiers forget that "a good Turk is a dead Turk" as soon as they leave the army?

besides the army is just a low IQ experience.

Not in the Army I served in.

the ones who use to shout at us "common girls is that how you are going to free kyrenia"

Now we know where Piratis gets his "war" ideas from!

[Eric dayi]

the gc OXI was an OXI to certain things, it was an OXI of also propaganda, and was an OXI strongly connected to akels decisions, and not an evet to enosis . your claims about wanting enosis, greeks being racist against the turks and and i dont know what... are a little bit too hard.

No it isn't "too hard", it's the truth and you know it.

The whole point of the "OXI" was because the GC's would have to share power with us TC's and 650 Turkish Troops would have stayed in Cyprus. If the GC's voted YES there would have been no going back any more. If the GC's tried anything like the 1963 - 1974 events Turkey would have been more then likely(?) allowed to take over the whole island. As it is at the moment, time is on the GC's site specially since they joined the EU and expect/expected a lot of help from the EU. They thought they could use the EU to back them up to achieve their goal. All the GC's have to do is to wait for the TC's to get fed up of the embargoes and surrender to the GC's.

Come on cypezokyli, everone has woken up to the GC's ideas, even us Turks, but the problem is that the embargoes are not going to GC's plans and the TC's are not starving like they were supposed to. In fact, the economy has been rising very sharply since the opening of the gates and the GC's do not like that one bit, do they?

talat after the referendum has never been on his knees.

Talat is still on his knees begging but TPap does not even want to meet with him and refuses any of his suggestions. When Talat first came to power one of the first things he said was "The TRNC was an impossible dream" (or something similar). He is a President of a country he does not believe in, he wants to brake it up and unite with the GC's. He does however want rights for the TC's and does not want to see us as a minority. Everything he has done up till now has been in favour of unification but not for the TRNC as a country. Of course, all his moves and suggestions have been interpreted as "he is after recognition". He is even been branded as "second Denktas" by the GC's. Even Denktas himself never wanted recognition and never asked for it and neither has Talat or even Turkey but the GC's who want to be the sole rulers of the island and not a unification as Dentas wanted or Talat and Turkey are asking for now. The GC's will never agree to anything if it means sharing power with us TC's.

Let me ask you something, why do the GC's demand to be recognised as the "RoC" government for the whole island by Turkey? I am sure you know the answer to this.

is it your destiny or your selective memory that you only meet these examples of greek parents?

Destiny maybe but definitely not "selective memory", I just haven't had any happy stories with Greeks that I can tell you about.

[In almost every Turkish website forum there are Greeks/Greek Cypriots who post slogans like “Cyprus is Greek”, “Long live ENOSIS”, “We will kill all Turks and Cyprus will be a Greek island for ever” and loads of other things.

we had them here as well. digenis akritas, or kibris1571, its the same thing. nationalism is a diseace that does not really differ from one community to the other. the arguments are really the same. let me remind you that you totally agree with vassos1 - who also wants partition - in order to avoid being turkified by the turk invadors of 1571! or being greekfied by the enosis-wanting greeks!

The only difference here is that our politicians never asked or ever wanted to "ENOSIS" the whole of Cyprus with Turkey since the UK annexed Cyprus, the GC's did though and still do.

WOW, now I done it, I’ve gone and upset Birkibrisli

if you have managed to upset or hurt someone who tends to be calm... well i dont really see the difference between you and a greek/greekcypriot joining a forum with a label "long live enosis"

The only reason why Birkibrisli got upset is because I said he reminds me of African Americans who want to wash away their color and become "white". If he thought I called him a traitor, he is wrong. I said "other people might call him a traitor". If he gets easily upset and misreads things that I write, it isn't my fault.

[eric dayi wrote :

You see, I am not a person who “don’t care what anyone says”, I listen, I learn and I react to things I hear(or read)

eric dayi wrote

I don't care what anyone says the GC's still want ENOSIS and that is the reason why they insist on making us a minority in our own country

I made a typo there, it should have read "I don't care what any GC says, the GC's still want ENOSIS....." maybe now you'll understand the sentence above it.


I will ask once again a question you forgot to reply to:

Maybe you could also tell me the real reason why the GC’s demanded that the Turkish Delights were renamed to “Cypriot Delights” and also why no one would buy anything in the South with the word Turkish written on it?

And add this one:

If your answer to the above question is same as other GC's who say "because it's Cypriot", you might give me a reason why the Hallumi made in the South is still called "Greek Style hallumi" and not "Cypriot Hallumi" better still "Cyprus cheese" (or similar)?

An honest reply to the two questions above would be appreciated.

[cypezokyli]

i dont know for which delights you refer to eric dayi.... but it is true, most of our delicasies are indeed turkish. the most words we have in common - even with bulgarians - concern food, and are turkish . i wont fight with you over the origin of delights... i prefer to eat them

if you refer to the turkish coffee, that in greece is called greek coffee, and in cyprus cypriot coffee...well... big deal. we got it from the ottomans if thats what you want me to admit.

i believe we dont get the same info from our media. the halloumi , is supposed to become one day a cyprus delicasy, and no gc one , as a gc state doesnt exist as such. and not mention a greek one. the greeks have won the name feta and cyprus companies are not supposed to call it like that anymore.
usually , the halloumis i see have written on the cypriot halloumi.
actually a couple of days ago in my search for halloumi in my new town, i saw for the first time halloumi made by this "gazi" (if am not mistaken) company , and despite the fact that it has the turkish flag as its symbol it was still referred to as cypriot cheese. but i dont know if it was made in cyprus - turkey or germany.

moreover the concept greek style halloumi doesnt exist. the greeks dont have or eat halloumi. besides calling a halloumi "greek style" its like admitting that its not greek. halloumi is one of the very few things that are realy cypriot. u cannot get it in greek restaurants in germany , but only in some turkish doner shop... which if i may say : tastewise has nothing to do with the cypriot halloumi....and as far as i know, the tcs studying in turkey take their own halloumi with them....or?
.......
reffering to food , i would suggest onve again the film politiki kouzina - the touch of spice...
remembering that movie... i ll reply you later to the rest of your post...

[BirKibrisli]

Have you got it all off your chests,guys and gals,so we can get on with the topic in this thread?

Winning a war is not the only way GC refugees can return,but it is certainly one of the ways.Assuming that happened what will happen to those people who now live in the North?Stuff them,I hear some say,they can become refugees,they can go to hell for all we care?
I am amased you people (not you komshu!) cannot see this is exacly why we are in this mess?Total lack of empathy.I want justice for my side,and human rights too,but the other side can stew in their own juices,it serves them right.Please don't think I don't understand the frustration of GCs in this forum.When people are frustrated and angry they say things which are not logical or fair or just.WAR IS NEVER AN ANSWER TO ANYTHING.
War and brute force is failure of reason and sanity and compassion.
War has robbed most of us in this forum of our childhood,our homeland,our sanity in some cases,our hopes and aspirations.It has robbed us of our human rights,but if we can't realise we are all in the same boat,we are all the victims of a great betrayal by global imperialist forces (and I use that term in its widest sense to include zealos nationalism and chauvinism),there is no hope for us.Cypriots will NEVER be in a position to fight Turkey,full stop.Stop this pipedream and lets talk about solving this problem ourselves.I think we can do it in two stages.
Stage one:ASAP,we accept a bizonal and bicommunal federation BOTH based on majority rule,human rights supremecy,and parliamentary democracy.We give refugees the right to return without any limitation on numbers,but in an orderly manner(meaning refugees will have to prove their intention to live in the other state and be fully participating citizens,as judged by an independent tribunal) .We find a human solution to the settler issue (eg.Those married to Cypriots or with children born in Cyprus can stay,the rest to leave immediately).Refugees who return become the citizen of the state in which they live.With all the rights of citizens of a democratic state.If within the next 50 years the GCs manage to become a majority in the North,so be it.If they can be so politically disciplined enough to vote only for GC dominated parties in the North,and can convince every one of their members to vote to abolish the Northern state in a referandum, and become one unitary RoC,good luck to them(And that becomes my stage two of the solution).A painless solution to all our problems,because by the end of 50 years,I bet you my life,nobody will give a damn about anyone's ethnicity,and we will look (Well,my kids will anyway) on the arguments like those in this thread as total lunacy driven by irrational fear and mistrust.Any takers???

[Viewpoint]

Birkibrisli while we still have fanatics like Piratis who believe that all GCs refugees can go back how do you expect to negotiate anything? let alone run a country together. This is a perfect example of why the island will not and should not be reunited as it will give way to turning Cyprus into a time bomb. People like Piratis still have venom in their hearts a longing for vegence and to get even with us for 1974. He has no problem about throwing people on the streets or out of the country because this was done to him so others should suffer as well, this mentality is not correct, there are many settlers that have been here for 30 years which is longer than young genreation GCs. Although I accept that as many GCs refugees as possible should be allowed to rights to their properties I cannot see how it is possible that all can return. Satisfactory compensation is the only way forward, many not all properties have been utilized to a point of no return.

But how do you negotiate with the Piratis mentality and cultivate a desire to share a country with people who do not accept you as a partner but as a minority purely based on numbers. When will they wake up to the fact that the numbers game was left back in 1974 we now have a totally different situation we are two equal communities North and South and we want to be treated as such. As long as GCs leaders pursue their dream of reducing us to a political minority then the current status quo will continue well into the future.

[BirKibrisli]

Viewpoint,
My belief is that NOT ALL GC refugees will want to return to live fully in the North.But they must have the right to return if they want to.Reality will be different.Hence my suggestion that the refugees who want to return must be genuine.They must want to live in the North and participate as equal citizens in the democratic process.If that means they become the majority in 50 years time,fine with me.But you did not comment on my idea.Would you accept not to limit the numbers of GC refugees returning (with the exception of the test above)?will you agree to trade off justice for all refugees who want it,with the risk of becoming a minority in some 40/50 years time?Do you think it will matter by then?
This is not my ideal solution as you know,but I am prepared to compromise to get us out of this mess.Are you?

[Kifeas]

double entry

[Kifeas]

Birkibrisli while we still have fanatics like Piratis who believe that all GCs refugees can go back how do you expect to negotiate anything? let alone run a country together. This is a perfect example of why the island will not and should not be reunited as it will give way to turning Cyprus into a time bomb. People like Piratis still have venom in their hearts a longing for vegence and to get even with us for 1974. He has no problem about throwing people on the streets or out of the country because this was done to him so others should suffer as well, this mentality is not correct, there are many settlers that have been here for 30 years which is longer than young genreation GCs. Although I accept that as many GCs refugees as possible should be allowed to rights to their properties I cannot see how it is possible that all can return. Satisfactory compensation is the only way forward, many not all properties have been utilized to a point of no return.

But how do you negotiate with the Piratis mentality and cultivate a desire to share a country with people who do not accept you as a partner but as a minority purely based on numbers. When will they wake up to the fact that the numbers game was left back in 1974 we now have a totally different situation we are two equal communities North and South and we want to be treated as such. As long as GCs leaders pursue their dream of reducing us to a political minority then the current status quo will continue well into the future.

Rubbish!

I am sure you will say just about anything in order to keep the spoils of the looting!

[Kifeas]

Let me ask you something, why do the GC's demand to be recognised as the "RoC" government for the whole island by Turkey? I am sure you know the answer to this.

Can someone explain to this person that the RoC doesn't demand to be recognised by Turkey as the government of the whole island, because this is what is being recognised to be the case by the entire planet. It is the EU that demands from Turkey to recognise this reality, if its EU accession process is to continue further!

[zan]

Birkibrisli

I have no real problem with what you are saying except for the refugees. If any GCs are allowed to return to the north and they are prepared to live under what is essentially TC rule then the same option must be open to all refugees. If they want to stay and maybe even swear an allegiance to whichever state, they should be allowed to stay, as they would be allowed to in any other country. I believe that only the criminal kind has no rights in this issue.