So as we can all see Cypriots are not willing, nor do we desire a solution we pay lip service to this "unified Cyprus" but our mentality makes us incapable or resolving our issues and commiting to any agreement, so we all deserve the current status quo.
it is indeed a stubborn attitude from both sides. the cyprus story its clearly presented in the ledras incident. for me none of the two leaders gave a damn about opening the ledras for the good of the people. it was mostly who is going to win the impression war. accusing the tc of crossing the line when they didnt. building a bridge knowing that it would provoke. stopping the whole opening bc the one side has opened it a little more than the other, while we should have done it together...
despite the fact that vp is wiser, he still refers to cypriot attitude
now to eric dayi:
i ll first give you a general remark. i dont know if you were part of the tc revolution in 2000. to be honest i wouldnt expect that (while i would expect that from viewpoint).
something that you have to try to understand. the 30 year denktash-era, with him going to negotiation making pictures has created a strong stereotype about what the tc are and what they want. unfortunately it was not that easy to brake that in just a couple of years. and to be honest if i didnt have the chance to meet with some tcs, in that period, i would have also -most propably- the same stereotypes. now the fact the akel supported pap, and tolerates the growing nationalism, its also sth that i cannot understand. because you see for me i try to make a distinction between peple and politicians.
Plan, well using the same source, I can claim that what I said is the truth because 70+% of GC’s said “OXI” to unite the island.
the gc OXI was an OXI to certain things, it was an OXI of also propaganda, and was an OXI strongly connected to akels decisions, and not an evet to enosis . your claims about wanting enosis, greeks being racist against the turks and and i dont know what... are a little bit too hard.
Also, since the referendum the TC’s President has been literally on his knees begging for a solution and unification but his extended hand has been slapped in his own face time and again. Every suggestion TC's made has been thrown back in our faces with a loud and clear “OXI”.
talat after the referendum has never been on his knees. he has become "wiser" though. i dont really accuse him for what he does after our OXI. in a way i understand that he tries to do the best for his community, but i wouldnt say that he is on his knees. everything its just like the ledras story but just more extended.
the problem with more talats proposals is that they are closely connected to the embargo, and then it turns really complicated.
an obvious example (also suggested by vp some time ago) is the example of the missing persons. we have two leaderships, even if we assume that our is nationalist. BOTH of them didnt do anything towards that direction. not even the-being-on-his-knees talat. and what i dont understand for BOTH, is that even on that matter it has to be done by both communities at the same time. that even on that matter the impression war is important. its just pisses me off. i would really prefer one side solving of that problem than any one side opening of the border. it is a strictly humanitarian problem and no leader , ge or tc, nationalist or not, has proven to be different when it comes to that.
This year the “RoC” gave medals to the terrorists who killed British and Turkish Cypriots, a clear indication that the EOKA in not forgotten and more then likely very much still alive.
when it comes to flags and symbols , i believe both sides are really good. just like greek flags are everywhere as soon are you cross the border on the south so are turkish flags in the north. its just that this place suffers from too many heroes. in the road between lefkosia to kyrenia/girne (close to girne) there is also a new heroic statue. and from what i heard, the army placed it there without even asking the tc authorities.
its just a matter if you choose to exagurate those facts or not.
as i said mainsource some time ago. crossing the checkpoint in august there were two signs : the one saying "how happy i am being a turk (not tc) and the other was written in greek expressing the conclances of the tc community to the plain accident. as i told source then he (and you just on the opposite side) chooses to see the first, while i choose to see the second.
The Greek parents tell their kids not to sit next to a Turk/TC in school because “Turks eat Greek babies”.
is it your destiny or your selective memory that you only meet these examples of greek parents? actually to a certain extent, and after meeting a number of greek immigrant in germany, i would agree with a turkish reporter who wrote :
I have been testing a hypothesis for a long time, which is that Turks living abroad are more reactionary, conservative and closed to criticism than those living in Turkey. Turkey is changing at an incredible pace, but Turks living abroad change very slowly
just change the turk with a greek, and i would agree
In almost every Turkish website forum there are Greeks/Greek Cypriots who post slogans like “Cyprus is Greek”, “Long live ENOSIS”, “We will kill all Turks and Cyprus will be a Greek island for ever” and loads of other things.
we had them here as well. digenis akritas, or kibris1571, its the same thing. nationalism is a diseace that does not really differ from one community to the other. the arguments are really the same. let me remind you that you totally agree with vassos1 - who also wants partition - in order to avoid being turkified by the turk invadors of 1571! or being greekfied by the enosis-wanting greeks!
and to be honest with you:
WOW, now I done it, I’ve gone and upset Birkibrisli
if you have managed to upset or hurt someone who tends to be calm... well i dont really see the difference between you and a greek/greekcypriot joining a forum with a label "long live enosis"
eric dayi wrote :
You see, I am not a person who “don’t care what anyone says”, I listen, I learn and I react to things I hear(or read)
eric dayi wrote
I don't care what anyone says the GC's still want ENOSIS and that is the reason why they insist on making us a minority in our own country
even the long live enosis people - listen and learn and react.
the problem is usually what one reads, what one hears and more important, what one chooses to read or hear.
as i told you before, most of the things i learned and stereotypes i had, i lost after meting with some tcs. i had the two images in my head and i decided to choose the good one. to be honest if i never met them, and only read your posts...well you would also increase my stereotypes. after i met them, well... you have to try harder to rebuild those stereotypes again
