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So what you are saying is that the current statuts quo is in fact the best solution as any new agreement or old come to that will give TCs more that they deserve and will lead to conflict.

So we should just lay down and accept being a minority in a GC state.

Well Im sure you can workout what our answer to that idea is by yourself....OXI

[Piratis]

So what you are saying is that the current statuts quo is in fact the best solution as any new agreement or old come to that will give TCs more that they deserve and will lead to conflict.

I never said that the status quo is a solution. This is a product of your own imagination.

And why should any new agreement give to TCs more and GCs less than what was agreed in 1960???? If you want to take more on something you have to give up somthing else.

So we should just lay down and accept being a minority in a GC state.

You should just accept legality, stop the crimes and human rights violations, and understand that 18% IS a minority.

Well Im sure you can workout what our answer to that idea is by yourself....OXI

You have no right to deny our human and democratic rights. All you can do is use force to illegally violate them as long as you can.

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Piratis

I never said that the status quo is a solution. This is a product of your own imagination.

And why should any new agreement give to TCs more and GCs less than what was agreed in 1960???? If you want to take more on something you have to give up somthing else.

But you yourself admitted that TCs were given to many concessions in 1960 thats why it is an agreement open to conflict. And any further plan like the Annan plan gives to much to the TCs and will end in confict.
So the current situation is more desirable as it will only lead to conflict when there is a change in power.

You should just accept legality, stop the crimes and human rights violations, and understand that 18% IS a minority.

You wany us to move towards the legalities and human rights then negotiaite for them, no negotiaitons no change.
18% was back in 1960, now you are faced with another community, 2 partners us and you, this is another issue that you have to come to terms with. We are a partner state not a minority.

You have no right to deny our human and democratic rights. All you can do is use force to illegally violate them as long as you can.

Ok if thats the way you want see it that is your right but the currently reality dictates our destiny and at this juncture no talks means status quo and no solution.


Aginn I have to remind you that the current situation is as much your fault as it mine.

You really have to update your ideas and conentrate on what can be done to find a solution not just harp on about what you cant chnage unless you negotiate or continue to wait for the balance of power to change. Could be a very long wait imo.

[Piratis]

So the current situation is more desirable as it will only lead to conflict when there is a change in power.

Current situation is obviously more desirable to you since you keep the land you stole from us.

18% was back in 1960, now you are faced with another community, 2 partners us and you, this is another issue that you have to come to terms with. We are a partner state not a minority.

OK. So you want to force on us what you want, and you refuse to accept legality? We will reply in kind at the right time my friend.

Aginn I have to remind you that the current situation is as much your fault as it mine.

Then why should the solution give less to me and more to you? Sorry, this is obviously unfair and therefore absolutely unacceptable.

[zan]

You cant take back your bet once you've thrown the dice.

[Piratis]

You cant take back your bet once you've thrown the dice.

You thrown the dice first. But with what you say I guess you mean you prefer to loose rather than draw? OK. Remember that this was your choice.

[zan]

Nice post Piratis. Dont forget to pick up your EOKA medal on the way out.

[Eric dayi]

Nice post Piratis. Dont forget to pick up your EOKA medal on the way out.

You mean his second one?

[Viewpoint]

Man Piratis ideas are so out of date he thinks like its a football match you win we lose. He chants the GCs no 1 record "we want human rights and legality" yet in the same breath wants to throw settlers out of the country, dont they have any human rights? dont we have any human rights? while you demand yours you have to take into consideration others. Its just not that simple, obviously he is a GC that finds it difficult to comprehend the reality we live today and what we need to do to get to a solution.
If the current situation is to change then both sides must negotiate for it, otherwise the cold reality must hit everyone at some time realizing that we have arrived, the current status quo is the solution Cypriots are capable of in 2005 and for the fore seeable future.

[Piratis]

Man Piratis ideas are so out of date he thinks like its a football match you win we lose. He chants the GCs no 1 record "we want human rights and legality" yet in the same breath wants to throw settlers out of the country, dont they have any human rights?

Human rights and legality our out of date??? You are our of date, stuck in the middle ages, not me. Settlers have human rights. What they don't have is the right to violate ours and take our land. They should go back to their own country.

If the current situation is to change then both sides must negotiate for it, otherwise the cold reality must hit everyone at some time realizing that we have arrived, the current status quo is the solution Cypriots are capable of in 2005 and for the fore seeable future.

For as long as you can force the illegalities.