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[zan]

Very well said Dayi, where the human rights of TCs pre 1974?

Pre 1974? You mean the centuries that you used Greek Cypriots as slaves by grossly violating our human rights again?

No Piratis, the violation of my human rights, a living breathing (no thanks to EOKA) victim of the Greek junta that ran me out of my country. How much will the Greek government offer to compensate me?

[Agios Amvrosios]

ZAn

ran me out of my country

That has got to be a fraudulent statement.I want details !

How were you "run out" ?[/quote]

[zan]

Are you being serious?

I was born in 1960 and we were asked to leave very nicely by that lovely man Grivas. I will let you look up the history of what happened until we left in 1965.

[Agios Amvrosios]

give me (true) details.

Who asked you? How were you asked?

[zan]

Are you being serious?

I was born in 1960 and we were asked to leave very nicely by that lovely man Grivas. I will let you look up the history of what happened until we left in 1965.

[Agios Amvrosios]

If you are only going to talk about vague events and you are not going to be specific I can only assume you don't know what you are talking about.It is unfair to post random unqualified remarks which we can only assume are based on propaganda you have been forced fed . Were any members of your family involved in violence?

Please either post a clear explanation of how you say you or your family were "run out".

[Viewpoint]

Piratis its not as easy as you think and try to potray it many people will get back their properties but many will have to settle for compensation which I hope is justly and promptly paid.

What we need is to put an end to your crimes that apparently you insist on committing.

What I am saying is that we propose equality of all people and human rights for everybody but you insist on rejecting it. You are the one making this choice, not me. Just remember this.

Do you know any human being that doesn't want to live in peace, prosperity and safety??? What are you talking about?

The fact is that you are the ones abusing our human rights. Beyond that you can make up as many imaginary excuses as you want.

I am after getting back what was stolen from us, which includes land and our human and legal rights. Anything wrong with that??? What is wrong is your insistence on criminal actions that violate the human rights of 100s of thousands of people.

You not saying anything new, you have to adapt and become more flexible in achieveing what you desire, otherwise you will be a supporter of the current status quo.
We have agreed in the past that the situation we are in was caused by both our people, both sides have suffered and people find it very difficult to put the past behind them and look to the future.
Nothing will ever be the same as it was, everything has changed, we are 2 strangers(community wise), the crimes you keep referrring to and the constant chanting of human rights and illegalities are the result of many incorreect actions of both communities. In heinsite there are many things we could and should ahve done to avert Cypriots going through what they did. What yo uhave to come to terms with are the realities of today and what is best for our peoples, you can argue your point and I respect that but you have to show the same respect in return. We are the generation that did not cause the current situation but we could be the generation that can solve all issues. Do you want to solve them? or do you prefer the easy way out then continue to chant murders thieves anatolian parasite etc etc, its just name calling that places the cememts the divide between our communites and fuels the current status quo.
What you want and demand can only come through careful negotiations, if we are not willing or do not posses the drive vision then we will continue as we are and you will wait for the balance in power to change, your choice.....genuine negotiations or the current status quo?[/quote]

[zan]

If you are only going to talk about vague events and you are not going to be specific I can only assume you don't know what you are talking about.It is unfair to post random unqualified remarks which we can only assume are based on propaganda you have been forced fed . Were any members of your family involved in violence?

Please either post a clear explanation of how you say you or your family were "run out".

If you click on "profile" at the bottom of my post, on the next page you will see "find all post". Click there and you can read all that I have written on this forum so far. Once you do that, then if you have any more ridiculous questions you would like to ask, I will be only too happy to think about answering them.

Clunk click every trip.

[sadik]

Very well said Dayi, where the human rights of TCs pre 1974?

Pre 1974? You mean the centuries that you used Greek Cypriots as slaves by grossly violating our human rights again?

"We" have not violated anyones human rights for centuries. We, as Turkish Cypriots, were subjects of the Ottoman Empire just like the other Cypriots. Turkish Cypriots were also poor and Turkish Cypriots starved to death when there was no rain, just like the other Cypriots.

Bill of human rights were signed in 1948. I want human rights to be respected in Cyprus, but it's ridiculous trying to apply such a new concept to events of 500-700 years ago. Give me an example of an empire that respected human rights, Roman, Byzantian, British? Which one?

[Piratis]

"We" have not violated anyones human rights for centuries.

Sadik, Turkish Cypriots claim centuries of history in Cyprus. If TCs and the Ottoman rulers of Cyprus are not the same thing then when does the history of Turkish Cypriots start in Cyprus? When and how did they appear? The people that expect current and future Greek Cypriots to be punished because of what a small minority of Greek Cypriots has done 40 years ago, should also accept responsibility for the crimes of their own ancestors, which is fact are way worst and lasted for way longer, and not pretend to be the virgin Maries.

Instead of that, those people remember only one decade in history in order to blame Greek Cypriots, and they forget the rest of history before and after that decade and they insist on our human right violations as we speak.

Therefore go tell to your people not to give cheap excuses as to why Greek Cypriots deserve to be punished. If they do that, then sorry, but we are given no other option than to remind them that for every crime we committed against them they committed 100 against us, and if we deserve to be punished once they deserve to be punished 100 times.

I said many times that TCs should cut the excuses and accept that finally human rights should be respected for everybody in Cyprus and that they should not expect to gain anything on the loss of Greek Cypriots.

In 1960 we signed some agreements. The same way the TCs do not accept to get anything less than those agreements we do not accept it either. If they think that they have the power to force on us something worst, then they should be sure that sooner or later we will reply in kind.

In 1960 we made huge compromises and we are not going to make even more huge compromises so the 18% of TCs will have even more gains against us. We are willing to make some compromises that will lead to restructuring (e.g. changing the unitary state to a federation) but not any compromises that will legalize the violation of our human and democratic rights.

The TCs should finally understand that in 1960 they got more than what any other minority in the whole world ever got. The greediness of asking for even more on our expense will inevitably lead to new conflicts and a war is a very possible scenario for the future.