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[Get Real!]

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If you cannot accept that there is a terrestrial and a celestial world then it is absolutely POINTLESS in discussing God and are simply wasting your time.

We have to accept that a priori, without any evidence, just because you (or the priests who once had the power to sentence people to death for disagreeing) say so?

If your question is… “How do we know that there is a celestial world?”

Then the answer to that is…

The existence of the everlasting universe is all the evidence we’ll ever need of a “magician”; the universe is so incomprehensible that it can only be the act of a spectacular entity. Miracles simply CANNOT get any bigger or any more spectacular than that!

By the way, surely (in your world view) God in his infinite wisdom created me and made me think the way I do, so he wanted there to be non-believers. I don't understand why you get so hot under the collar about it. Unless you are questioning God's infinite wisdom.

Yes, I accept that there will be unbelievers... God says so in the bible anyway.

The only ones who annoy me are those like Milti and Pahitis who ask the same old childish questions over and over and never learn anything. I’ll bet you 6 months from now they’ll be asking the exact same things again because I’ve seen it all before…

[Paphitis]

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If you cannot accept that there is a terrestrial and a celestial world then it is absolutely POINTLESS in discussing God and are simply wasting your time.

We have to accept that a priori, without any evidence, just because you (or the priests who once had the power to sentence people to death for disagreeing) say so?

If your question is… “How do we know that there is a celestial world?”

Then the answer to that is…

The existence of the everlasting universe is all the evidence we’ll ever need of a “magician”; the universe is so incomprehensible that it can only be the act of a spectacular entity. Miracles simply CANNOT get any bigger or any more spectacular than that!

By the way, surely (in your world view) God in his infinite wisdom created me and made me think the way I do, so he wanted there to be non-believers. I don't understand why you get so hot under the collar about it. Unless you are questioning God's infinite wisdom.

Yes, I accept that there will be unbelievers... God says so in the bible anyway.

The only ones who annoy me are those like Milti and Pahitis who ask the same old childish questions over and over and never learn anything. I’ll bet you 6 months from now they’ll be asking the exact same things again because I’ve seen it all before…

I was only responding to your stupid assertions in the other thread.

I was not asking any questions as I know what I believe. Milti was.

Nor am I trying to change your view despite how deluded I may think you are.

I am more than familiar it is pointless arguing with people who have beliefs that have no sound basis or any evidence in support of. One thing I have come to understand is that no matter what you will always make it up as you go along without any evidence whilst we ask the genuine questions and take a scientific approach.

[Get Real!]

Some BODY placed a massive spectacular everlasting entity in front of us (the universe) yet some of us are still outrageously questioning his existence!!!

I find that unbelievable!!!

What more do you want to see???

If an infinite magic show of galaxies, solar systems, planets and stars, is not good enough for you to acknowledge its creator then there is nothing that can ever satisfy you!


It’s a shame some of you would need to get slapped (HURT) by God to believe it!

[Paphitis]

Some BODY placed a massive spectacular everlasting entity in front of us (the universe) yet some of us are still outrageously questioning his existence!!!

I find that unbelievable!!!

What more do you want to see???

If an infinite magic show of galaxies, solar systems, planets and stars, is not good enough for you to acknowledge its creator then there is nothing that can ever satisfy you!

You find it unbelievable because you have closed your mind to the endless possibilities which do not involve divine intervention.

You feel threatened because your viewpoint is legitimately and rationally challenged!

[repulsewarrior]

@GR
...i don't know who you are describing by the characterisation, "you people", but you made me laugh.

...who says rocks don't sing?

@Paphitis
...i won't judge the Churches or the rest of Humanity, i try to take care of my self, and i have Faith in the infinite power of Love so i act accordingly; babies and bathwater come to mind.

It's all man made mythology to fill in the gaps.

Because it does not exist, there is no baby and bath water to toss. All you got is your unquestioning faith.

You do not need religion or God to love!

as i said, i am not so quick to judge, yet i agree, you don't need religion or "God" to love, perhaps you will agree if i say, God is Love.

[Tim Drayton]

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I am more than familiar it is pointless arguing with people who have beliefs that have no sound basis or any evidence in support of. One thing I have come to understand is that no matter what you will always make it up as you go along without any evidence whilst we ask the genuine questions and take a scientific approach.

You are right there, but, now that they can no longer put us to death as 'heretics' (at least in the countries that we live in), we atheists need to make ourselves heard from time to time.

[Get Real!]

It’s one thing to criticize religion and it’s quite another to question God… so let us not confuse the two!

That Man misrepresents God through religion is an old story, but don’t ever kid yourselves that the universe is out there by chance!

[Paphitis]

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I am more than familiar it is pointless arguing with people who have beliefs that have no sound basis or any evidence in support of. One thing I have come to understand is that no matter what you will always make it up as you go along without any evidence whilst we ask the genuine questions and take a scientific approach.

You are right there, but, now that they can no longer put us to death as 'heretics' (at least in the countries that we live in), we atheists need to make ourselves heard from time to time.

Yes we do!

In the old days we would be burned as you say but now we have a voice. And when we make our voices heard, those that would have lit the kindling beneath us feel very insecure about it.

We are doing fine Tim. It's a gradual and slow evolution as our numbers increase.

[Tim Drayton]

Some BODY placed ...(

We don't accept that somebody did. That is a fraudulent argument, I am afraid, because you are stating the predicate you wish to obtain as the subject. Prove that it must have been created by somebody.

[Get Real!]

Some BODY placed a massive spectacular everlasting entity in front of us (the universe) yet some of us are still outrageously questioning his existence!!!

I find that unbelievable!!!

What more do you want to see???

If an infinite magic show of galaxies, solar systems, planets and stars, is not good enough for you to acknowledge its creator then there is nothing that can ever satisfy you!

You find it unbelievable because you have closed your mind to the endless possibilities which do not involve divine intervention.

You feel threatened because your viewpoint is legitimately and rationally challenged!

What endless possibilities? You can only give it an infinite number of LABELS if you wish, but the magician will still be the same and worthy of our respect.