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[Paphitis]

So what or who created the big bang? was something created out of nothing?

You can't even answer that hence your need to fill in the gaps with mythology!

I cant answer that, your right and neither can you and so it seems neither can science answer it.

You just say that it certainly wasn't god.

Oh very true but I leave you with this to ponder on.

Religion is bad because of its ideas. Your philosophy seems to be "don't worry about messing this life up, because there is another one after this". You are taught to spend your life preparing for the next. If you believe that then you have diminished this life. You are not living life to the fullest.

Religion is bad because it claims to draw its morals from God. This God who (according to their book) believes in all manner of atrocities. When a religious person does some good, it's to win favour with his God, not just because it is a good thing, as Atheists do. You live your live repressed in servitude. This is no way to live your life. If there is a God, then surely he would prefer the Goodness from Atheists who have done good believing there is no reward in doing so other than the act of doing good.

You say you have hope. Yes I agree that this is what religion feeds on. They feed you this false hope of an after life so that you can serve their false dogma. Once again, you have been brainwashed.

Religion cheapens your true awareness of the world you live in by trying to explain the creation of the universe with man made myths. The biblical story of creation absolutely pales in comparison to the true story of how our universe started.

We as Atheists do not claim, or have ever claimed that we know all the answers to life's mysteries. But neither do you or your religion despite what it claims!

[Paphitis]

How do you know animals have hope?

There have been cases where I have hoped for something and events lined up for me to get/achieve them. How do you explain the things that line up that are outside of ones sphere of control?

We know.

A lion will hunt in the hope of catching its prey in order to survive. All animals hope to survive and ensure the future of their species.

they have hope alright, and ambition (to survive).

And when they kill, most species usually only kill enough for their nourishment in order to survive so there seems to be some kind of awareness about the conservation of their prey for future requirements as opposed to humans who up to this point have been quite inconsiderate overall!

Your making up stories. A lion will hunt because it has to eat, it is instinctual, a matter of survival.

There is no awareness other than, I am hungry, I need to eat, I am full now, I do not need to eat any more. It is because there is an absence of a refrigerator or preservation system that they stop hunting and because they are no longer hungry. Otherwise they are constantly searching for food or water or shelter or a mate.

Some animals do store food though, food that doesn't go off. Like a squirrel will horde nuts.

No sorry! I don't make anything up.

I only state what I experience.

How do you know what a lion's instincts are. Some animals are highly evolved and very sociable and this indicated that they are quite intelligent, some more intelligent than others. Lions for example, have a highly evolved Social Hierarchy.

If these animals did not have any hope, then their will or instinct to survive will not be there. Animals are also capable of emotion.

Alright, OK, some animals are more evolved, more intelligent and more sophisticated than others. Some animals are capable of demonstrating emotion but its primitive.

Instincts and emotions are not the same though, but emotions can be instinctive. like if you or an animal feels pain your instincts tell you to move away from that which is causing it. An animal does not hope to find food, its instincts tell it or dictate to it that it has to finds some to survive.

Lets just say or agree that animals do not have a faith or religion.

I think you under estimate them and hence you do not value them as much as we do because another thing religion does is give man a sense of superiority over them. You believe they are incapable of hope and emotions but that quite simply is not the case.

Yes they have instincts, and humans have the same instincts as these animals such as the survival instinct which is very important in the animal world. I would argue that it is still just as important for humans, because sadly, humans need to have their wits about them due to the number of human predators around who would without any consideration do away with you as opposed to animals who simply only kill to survive in most cases.

There is NOTHING Godly about Humans I'm afraid.

[Maximus]

Oh very true but I leave you with this to ponder on.

Religion is bad because of its ideas. Your philosophy seems to be "don't worry about messing this life up, because there is another one after this". You are taught to spend your life preparing for the next. If you believe that then you have diminished this life. You are not living life to the fullest.

Which religion and which ideas are bad?

My philosophy is to live your life to the fullest and become the best person you can be. I do tend to think though that we are all energy and once your physical body dies, your energy, or spirit doesn't just disappear.

Religion is bad because it claims to draw its morals from God. This God who (according to their book) believes in all manner of atrocities. When a religious person does some good, it's to win favour with his God, not just because it is a good thing, as Atheists do. You live your live repressed in servitude. This is no way to live your life.

Again which religion is bad? I only have some knowledge of Christianity

Tell me which moral's or which teachings of Jesus's are bad for humanity?

You say you have hope. Yes I agree that this is what religion feeds on. They feed you this false hope of an after life so that you can serve their false dogma. Once again, you have been brainwashed.

Read above. No one really knows and as I have stated, everyone has hope, and a faith that it will be delivered.

Religion cheapens your true awareness of the world you live in by trying to explain the creation of the universe with man made myths. The biblical story of creation absolutely pales in comparison to the true story of how our universe stated.

We as Atheists do not claim, or have ever claimed that we know all the answers to life's mysteries. But neither do you or your religion despite what it claims!

I never said I did.

Religion and science are two completely separate subjects / things for me.

[Maximus]

I think you under estimate them and hence you do not value them as much as we do because another thing religion does is give man a sense of superiority over them. You believe they are incapable of hope and emotions but that quite simply is not the case.

Yes they have instincts, and humans have the same instincts as these animals such as the survival instinct which is very important in the animal world. I would argue that it is still just as important for humans, because sadly, humans need to have their wits about them due to the number of human predators around who would without any consideration do away with you as opposed to animals who simply only kill to survive in most cases.

There is NOTHING Godly about Humans I'm afraid.

Paphitis, if you put me in an ocean with a big hungry shark in the vicinity, I know I'm food. I don't underestimate animals.

Humans are superior though and they are certainly not godly.

[Paphitis]

Oh very true but I leave you with this to ponder on.

Religion is bad because of its ideas. Your philosophy seems to be "don't worry about messing this life up, because there is another one after this". You are taught to spend your life preparing for the next. If you believe that then you have diminished this life. You are not living life to the fullest.

Which religion and which ideas are bad?

All religion is bad. They are all based on the same underlying philosophies.

My philosophy is to live your life to the fullest and become the best person you can be. I do tend to think though that we are all energy and once your physical body dies, your energy, or spirit doesn't just disappear.

Well that's a start. We might convert you soon.

Religion is bad because it claims to draw its morals from God. This God who (according to their book) believes in all manner of atrocities. When a religious person does some good, it's to win favour with his God, not just because it is a good thing, as Atheists do. You live your live repressed in servitude. This is no way to live your life.

Again which religion is bad? I only have some knowledge of Christianity

once again all religions. You are living a life of servitude.

Tell me which moral's or which teachings of Jesus's are bad for humanity?

Jesus Christ was just a man. A philosopher if you will or just another individual trying to instill a false dogma.

His teachings were not required.

You say you have hope. Yes I agree that this is what religion feeds on. They feed you this false hope of an after life so that you can serve their false dogma. Once again, you have been brainwashed.

Read above. No one really knows and as I have stated, everyone has hope, and a faith that it will be delivered.

What hope? A hope for an afterlife. read my previous post again.

Religion cheapens your true awareness of the world you live in by trying to explain the creation of the universe with man made myths. The biblical story of creation absolutely pales in comparison to the true story of how our universe stated.

We as Atheists do not claim, or have ever claimed that we know all the answers to life's mysteries. But neither do you or your religion despite what it claims!

I never said I did.

Religion and science are two completely separate subjects / things for me.

So you agree then that religion is baloney! You would make a great Atheist!

[Maximus]

Some practices in some religions are baloney and some people hijack religion for an unworthy cause. Like jihadist's.

However, even though Jesus may of just been a man, his teachings and morals are for the good, in my opinion. You probably practice many of them in your day to day life.

I would not write them off.

[Paphitis]

I think you under estimate them and hence you do not value them as much as we do because another thing religion does is give man a sense of superiority over them. You believe they are incapable of hope and emotions but that quite simply is not the case.

Yes they have instincts, and humans have the same instincts as these animals such as the survival instinct which is very important in the animal world. I would argue that it is still just as important for humans, because sadly, humans need to have their wits about them due to the number of human predators around who would without any consideration do away with you as opposed to animals who simply only kill to survive in most cases.

There is NOTHING Godly about Humans I'm afraid.

Paphitis, if you put me in an ocean with a big hungry shark in the vicinity, I know I'm food. I don't underestimate animals.

Humans are superior though and they are certainly not godly.

You see! You have misconceptions about Sharks and don't understand them very well.

I have dived all over the world Max, and have swam with many species of Sharks.

The most notable was a harmless Whale Shark about 6 metres long. I got within 2 feet of it and swam alongside for a few minutes or as long as I could keep up with it. it was eyeball to eyeball stuff. now that is what I call Spiritual!!

Because of my tendency to take some risks, I researched Sharks quite extensively since I would regularly venture into their domain.

I've been face to face with Black Tips, White Tips, Shovel Nosed Sharks, Lemon Sharks, Rays, Nurse Shark and even Tiger Sharks and the Great Whites.

No Shark would EVER attack you for no reason. It would have to be hungry. You are also an unknown food source to them, hence they will only attack if they are desperate and no other food was available. You will never know you are being attacked until you're bitten. Usually, if you have seen a Great White, they will not attack because they rely on the element of surprise.

Another thing, because you are an unknown food source, usually they will hit you with their body first so that they can feel your texture. Yes they are fussy eaters.

So NO, you're not necessarily food for them.

Usually Shark Attacks are as a result of mistaken identity. Usually surfers that look like Turtles or Seals from the bottom.

A Shark usually does not kill any prey such as Turtles, Seals, Penguins or other Fish unless it needed to eat. They do NOT kill for the sake of it!

[Maximus]

I think you under estimate them and hence you do not value them as much as we do because another thing religion does is give man a sense of superiority over them. You believe they are incapable of hope and emotions but that quite simply is not the case.

Yes they have instincts, and humans have the same instincts as these animals such as the survival instinct which is very important in the animal world. I would argue that it is still just as important for humans, because sadly, humans need to have their wits about them due to the number of human predators around who would without any consideration do away with you as opposed to animals who simply only kill to survive in most cases.

There is NOTHING Godly about Humans I'm afraid.

Paphitis, if you put me in an ocean with a big hungry shark in the vicinity, I know I'm food. I don't underestimate animals.

Humans are superior though and they are certainly not godly.

You see! You have misconceptions about Sharks and don't understand them very well.

I have dived all over the world Max, and have swam with many species of Sharks.

The most notable was a harmless Whale Shark about 6 metres long. I got within 2 feet of it and swam alongside for a few minutes or as long as I could keep up with it. it was eyeball to eyeball stuff. now that is what I call Spiritual!!

Because of my tendency to take some risks, I researched Sharks quite extensively since I would regularly venture into their domain.

I've been face to face with Black Tips, White Tips, Shovel Nosed Sharks, Lemon Sharks, Rays, Nurse Shark and even Tiger Sharks and the Great Whites.

No Shark would EVER attack you for no reason. It would have to be hungry. You are also an unknown food source to them, hence they will only attack if they are desperate and no other food was available. You will never know you are being attacked until you're bitten. Usually, if you have seen a Great White, they will not attack because they rely on the element of surprise.

Another thing, because you are an unknown food source, usually they will hit you with their body first so that they can feel your texture. Yes they are fussy eaters.

So NO, you're not necessarily food for them.

Usually Shark Attacks are as a result of mistaken identity. Usually surfers that look like Turtles or Seals from the bottom.

Maybe that was a bad example, but you catch my drift. Put me in the jungle and I join the hierarchy as food for a lot of animals.

I have also been close to a white tip in the red sea.

[Maximus]

Are you an advanced diver Paphitis? Nitrox?

[Paphitis]

Are you an advanced diver Paphitis? Nitrox?

Yes I am an Advance PADI accredited Diver. I use Nitrox.