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[miltiades]

Humanity includes humans not fucking savages or sick bastards like you.
Go and pray now you psycho !!

[Maximus]

And God created man to his own image !!
Yet totally impotent in getting through one of his creations!!! The Pharaoh just would not ...let his people go!!! Why his people, he created man to his own image, surely Pharaoh was just one of his creations.

Right, God created man in his own image but he also let man have choice. Not all man believes in God, not all man believes in the same god. Some believe in multiple gods.

If you believe in humanity and disregard God, then you believe in the pharaoh and the choices he made. If you believe in humanity then you believe in all of humanity and the choices it makes.

[miltiades]

And God created man to his own image !!
Yet totally impotent in getting through one of his creations!!! The Pharaoh just would not ...let his people go!!! Why his people, he created man to his own image, surely Pharaoh was just one of his creations.

Right, God created man in his own image but he also let man have choice. Not all man believes in God, not all man believes in the same god. Some believe in multiple gods.

If you believe in humanity and disregard God, then you believe in the pharaoh and the choices he made. If you believe in humanity then you believe in all of humanity and the choices it makes.

How can I disregard a non entity, a figment of medieval man.
Humanity does not mean the human race, check the meaning of humanity, humane, humanist, human nature. It does not mean vicious sick and perverted minds as we now see in so many spheres in the world. Did you know that real, not imaginary, but real angels exist amongst us. Believe me I have met many, have talked to them, shook hands with them, they were humans full of love and compassion for the less fortunate amongst us. These are the people that I believe in, not some imaginary creator.

[Maximus]

I believe in humanity, in people,

"Savages" not included so that's Africa out of it, and Muslims not included so that's a further 2.2 billion excluded from the "humanity" that you believe in!

in science, medicine, technology and other such of mans inventions.

Sure! Better color televisions, electric cars, faster processors, and smarter phones should solve humanity’s problems!

I dread to think how shallow you were in your early years if you're this daft in your last!

Some of the materials used to create these things are created from the enslavement and exploitation of people. The creation of these things also pollutes our planet.

Look at the wars that have been fought over controlling oil for instance. There is no religion involved here, just capitalism, greed, survival in the modern world..

{I am not saying that the world will be a better place without these things, but just trying to put some context on mans creations}

[Maximus]

And God created man to his own image !!
Yet totally impotent in getting through one of his creations!!! The Pharaoh just would not ...let his people go!!! Why his people, he created man to his own image, surely Pharaoh was just one of his creations.

Right, God created man in his own image but he also let man have choice. Not all man believes in God, not all man believes in the same god. Some believe in multiple gods.

If you believe in humanity and disregard God, then you believe in the pharaoh and the choices he made. If you believe in humanity then you believe in all of humanity and the choices it makes.

How can I disregard a non entity, a figment of medieval man.
Humanity does not mean the human race, check the meaning of humanity, humane, humanist, human nature. It does not mean vicious sick and perverted minds as we now see in so many spheres in the world. Did you know that real, not imaginary, but real angels exist amongst us. Believe me I have met many, have talked to them, shook hands with them, they were humans full of love and compassion for the less fortunate amongst us. These are the people that I believe in, not some imaginary creator.

Human nature is present in the entire human race. human nature is both good and bad and it does at times mean vicious sick and perverted minds just as it means love and compassion.

Choice milti, God gave man choice.

These angels, are they from the spiritual realm?

[miltiades]

And God created man to his own image !!
Yet totally impotent in getting through one of his creations!!! The Pharaoh just would not ...let his people go!!! Why his people, he created man to his own image, surely Pharaoh was just one of his creations.

Right, God created man in his own image but he also let man have choice. Not all man believes in God, not all man believes in the same god. Some believe in multiple gods.

If you believe in humanity and disregard God, then you believe in the pharaoh and the choices he made. If you believe in humanity then you believe in all of humanity and the choices it makes.

How can I disregard a non entity, a figment of medieval man.
Humanity does not mean the human race, check the meaning of humanity, humane, humanist, human nature. It does not mean vicious sick and perverted minds as we now see in so many spheres in the world. Did you know that real, not imaginary, but real angels exist amongst us. Believe me I have met many, have talked to them, shook hands with them, they were humans full of love and compassion for the less fortunate amongst us. These are the people that I believe in, not some imaginary creator.

Human nature is present in the entire human race. human nature is both good and bad and it does at times mean vicious sick and perverted minds just as it means love and compassion.

Choice milti, God gave man choice.

These angels, are they from the spiritual realm?

Since I utterly reject the myth of a creator I naturally dismiss any reference that God gave man anything at all. Did He also give man cancer, and other horrid deceases , did He create volcanoes, tsunamis earthquakes and other natural disasters ? Of course not, he does not exist, man created god and all the mythology surrounding an all mighty creator.

The angels that I have interacted with are real, not imaginary and certainly not spiritual.

I will tell you about them soon. Angels right here on earth, with flesh and blood, real humans, real people not imaginary. When I feel ready I will elaborate.

[Maximus]

And God created man to his own image !!
Yet totally impotent in getting through one of his creations!!! The Pharaoh just would not ...let his people go!!! Why his people, he created man to his own image, surely Pharaoh was just one of his creations.

Right, God created man in his own image but he also let man have choice. Not all man believes in God, not all man believes in the same god. Some believe in multiple gods.

If you believe in humanity and disregard God, then you believe in the pharaoh and the choices he made. If you believe in humanity then you believe in all of humanity and the choices it makes.

How can I disregard a non entity, a figment of medieval man.
Humanity does not mean the human race, check the meaning of humanity, humane, humanist, human nature. It does not mean vicious sick and perverted minds as we now see in so many spheres in the world. Did you know that real, not imaginary, but real angels exist amongst us. Believe me I have met many, have talked to them, shook hands with them, they were humans full of love and compassion for the less fortunate amongst us. These are the people that I believe in, not some imaginary creator.

Human nature is present in the entire human race. human nature is both good and bad and it does at times mean vicious sick and perverted minds just as it means love and compassion.

Choice milti, God gave man choice.

These angels, are they from the spiritual realm?

Since I utterly reject the myth of a creator I naturally dismiss any reference that God gave man anything at all. Did He also give man cancer, and other horrid deceases , did He create volcanoes, tsunamis earthquakes and other natural disasters ? Of course not, he does not exist, man created god and all the mythology surrounding an all mighty creator.

The angels that I have interacted with are real, not imaginary and certainly not spiritual.

I will tell you about them soon. Angels right here on earth, with flesh and blood, real humans, real people not imaginary. When I feel ready I will elaborate.

So who created volcanoes, tsunamis, earthquakes and other natural disasters etc? Who created these horrid diseases? you only leave man to take credit for them and this is partly right.

If you do not believe that god created the planet, then you will not believe God created natural disasters but man certainly did not create the planet, man created an explanation, it was created by "a big bang".

Man also created an explanation thousands of years ago, first there was nothing, then there was light {Genesis}, something came from nothing. God created the earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th.

[GreekIslandGirl]

The enemies to human reason are the Roman/Catholics.

The Romans started the destruction of Hellenism (the amalgam of philosophy, science and the spiritual) and then when Hellenism was being safely transformed by the Byzantine/Greek orthodox brotherhood for prosperity, the Catholics stepped up the attack on Hellenism/Orthodoxy ..... until, we had the life-saving schism!

- Only the brainwashed of the 'Roman' Pope fail to see the continuing connection between Hellenism and Orthodoxy.

[Paphitis]

The enemies to human reason are the Roman/Catholics.

The Romans started the destruction of Hellenism (the amalgam of philosophy, science and the spiritual) and then when Hellenism was being safely transformed by the Byzantine/Greek orthodox brotherhood for prosperity, the Catholics stepped up the attack on Hellenism/Orthodoxy ..... until, we had the life-saving schism!

- Only the brainwashed of the 'Roman' Pope fail to see the continuing connection between Hellenism and Orthodoxy.

Absolutely rubbish!

The Hellenes were destroyed by the Eastern Church now known as Orthodoxy and the genocide was initiated by Byzantine Emperors who are now celebrated by the Orthodox Church as "Saints". The Byzantines did not successfully convert Hellenes but they violently wiped them out, destroyed their libraries, temples and other historically significant sites which led humankind into the Dark Ages.

The Catholic Church did other atrocious acts within the Western Part of the empire which were equally as bad towards pagans there.

I just can't believe you of all people, who has a lot more knowledge about the Greek Classics than I do (my knowledge really is limited) could actually say something like this.

[Paphitis]

Here is a challenge to all those dreamers, do your own research into just one area.

Religion's contribution to human advancement, be it technological, medical, social, or peace on earth. Religious wars , conflicts, hatred have existed for thousands of years, exacerbated by false beliefs in a non existent creator.

Convince those of us who have seen the light that religion contributes to the well being of the human race.

Religious people, such as the psychopath, are delusional, cruel, spiteful and full of hate for their fellow humans.

Name just one tangible benefit, I don't mean hope, but a tangible benefit the human race has attained from religion.

The answer is NONE. Prove me wrong.

I will take up the other side of the debate but I think it is flawed: you can call me a dreamer if you like.

What you are trying to say is that religion has not contributed to technology, medicine and the sciences which of course, you are right. Religion is religion, science is science, they are different subjects. A scientist can be Christian, A computer programmer can be Muslim or Hindu, a priest is a Christian. Of course, a priest is probably not going to discover and create a vaccine for the Ebola virus but a medical researcher could and he could be a Christian.

Further more, religion is not tangible, it is spiritual.

Some years back I visited SrLanca with my then GP, now retired, a wonderful GP and a persoanl friend. We visited together a town called Nuwara Eliya, high up in the mountains in central Ceylon.

He was familiar with my views on religion and on entering a temple we came across worshippers, clearly very poor, dressed in torn clothing, saris.

He looked at me and said. If you had the power would you deprive these impoverished people of their religious beliefs ? My answer ofcourse was an emphatic NO.

Religion serves those in need of spiritual, whatever this is, guidance and hope. Those that are in need of these ubstract requirements are perfectly entitled to hold these beliefs. Children too, believe in Santa , it makes them happy so let them be.

The psychopath is of course very religious, well lets hope that some.... miracle cures him of his psychopathic tendencies.

Yes, at its core religion is (and should be) about guidance and hope. Its what it guides people to believe in that makes all the difference.

What a man thinks, so he shall become.

The Christian belief system preaches, for instance - Love thy neighbor. Do to others as you would have others do to you. Forgive those who trespass against us. Deliver us from evil. < This is not the curse of humanity.

Can you find me a verse in the bible that preaches hatred or anything which would curse its believers and humanity?

Have you read the Bible Milti?

Supporters of religion usually get back to a few arguments to support their doctrine without question.

They describe all that is bad as God's Will, the bad choices of man as God giving man free will, and that Science has not disproven the existence of God. Sorry, if God is real I expect nothing but perfection. He has failed miserably at being a real God.

Do you believe humanity needs religion to be good and have hope? Are Atheists therefore bad and without hope?

Who is more likely to start a war? Let's look at America which, according to many here is a war mongering nation trying to steal everyone's natural resources to feed the insatiable appetite of their economic machine. Those who have started all the wars in the last 30 odd years were the Republicans, not the Democrats.

Yes that is right! The gun toting right wing US Nationalists who believe it is their God given right and who form the religious right wing of America's heartland.

But of course they are not Orthodox. Well, a far worse equivalent in Greece would be Golden Dawn and in Cyprus it would be ELAM. These are also right wing nutters who are very religious or use religion for their purposes.

One only needs to look at the views of Kurupetos, YiaLoser and now Get Real to understand that the hate these putrid individuals spout about Jews etc make them even worse that the most benevolent Neo Christian Republicans who are the driving force behind most wars.