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[Get Real!]

Learning? I studied all these things in my early 20s.

I know most of the dodgy parts in the bible but I'm not gonna give them to you on a plate!

Anyway, none of those make me get cavalier and assume that everything is wrong and there is no God!

Like I said before… to me the existence of God is one thing and Man’s interpretations thereof quite another.

[Oceanside50]

you can know the bible inside and out and recite all verses by heart,it doesn't mean anything. and if i was st Peter none of you would pass, sorry ah. the man at the end of the video comes the closest.

[Paphitis]

Learning? I studied all these things in my early 20s.

I know most of the dodgy parts in the bible but I'm not gonna give them to you on a plate!

Anyway, none of those make me get cavalier and assume that everything is wrong and there is no God!

Like I said before… to me the existence of God is one thing and Man’s interpretations thereof quite another.

Well you didn't do a very good job back then but you have made progress today.

Yes both things are completely different. One is based on man made superstition while the other demands reason and science. When people tell you something, the first question must always be "Why? Why is it so? How does that work"?

"Why? Why? Why? What is the purpose of that"?

One thing many people do not know about me is that I have a teaching and Instructional Background. The key fundamental to teaching is making the student understand the theory of how things work. You need to explain WHY?

Now take a rest!

[Get Real!]

Learning? I studied all these things in my early 20s.

I know most of the dodgy parts in the bible but I'm not gonna give them to you on a plate!

Anyway, none of those make me get cavalier and assume that everything is wrong and there is no God!

Like I said before… to me the existence of God is one thing and Man’s interpretations thereof quite another.

Well you didn't do a very good job back then but you have made progress today.

Yes both things are completely different. One is based on man made superstition while the other demands reason and science. When people tell you something, the first question must always be "Why? Why is it so? How does that work"?

"Why? Why? Why? What is the purpose of that"?

One thing many people do not know about me is that I have a teaching and Instructional Background. The key fundamental to teaching is making the student understand the theory of how things work. You need to explain WHY?

Now take a rest!

Just run along little koala snot because when I was studying biblical matters you probably didn’t even exist, and you haven’t even started studying yet!

You’ve posted nothing thus far that demonstrates even the most BASIC of biblical knowledge!

[repulsewarrior]

you can know the bible inside and out and recite all verses by heart,it doesn't mean anything. and if i was st Peter none of you would pass, sorry ah. the man at the end of the video comes the closest.

thanks Ocean.

[repulsewarrior]

...you speak as though anything beautiful and a wonder does not exist, like some fanatic extremist where there are no toys for children, no music, and only motherhood being female. stop and smell the roses, there is no need to stuff the thing up an orifice to say, it has thorns, use your mind to see a bigger world, close to nature, close to God, is Science. Truth is the everything where there is a value; babies and bath water comes to mind again.

Do you really need to make things up to smell the roses. The universe is not enough for you?

What else do you want or need? Everlasting life perhaps?

It's the false premise that is being discussed here.

do you know the answer to life? do you know the answer to the universe?

...what false premise? you assume you know the answers, i do not. call me a coward because i fear God, and a fool because i believe i have to fear nothing else. you may believe that the Homo Sapien is at the top of a scale, isn't it possible that we are at the bottom of the scale, having reason, and with it 'needs'? what is wrong with Humility, and Grace, Charity, above all? are they within the realm of religion, and that is all?

No I don't assume to know the answers.

I just don't believe in creation by a superior being.

Science does not pretend to know it all, nor does it make things up. Religion does that and on top of that they tell you to have faith in it without question. Science does not do that but continues to explore.

The theories of a supreme creator of the universe is the false premise here. Who created this supreme being?

...you cannot dismiss the existence of God based on religion's failings, even the personification of God, as a being, is vain, what is the Universe, and how it was created remain unclear, we know at least, if we keep searching, we learn more, Science and God are not mutually exclusive, although it seems that science and religion in many cases are at odds. God is, science like religion can only define from their observations, truthfully (or not). and there lies the dilemma, where we (Persons as Individuals) imagine (read: generalise) often, like, all people are the same (read: people are like me), and where we (Individuals as Persons) prepare ourselves with dogmas and creeds to provide us this comfort within their confines, its harmony; science as much as religion can offer this sanctity (for good, or for evil).

[Paphitis]

...you speak as though anything beautiful and a wonder does not exist, like some fanatic extremist where there are no toys for children, no music, and only motherhood being female. stop and smell the roses, there is no need to stuff the thing up an orifice to say, it has thorns, use your mind to see a bigger world, close to nature, close to God, is Science. Truth is the everything where there is a value; babies and bath water comes to mind again.

Do you really need to make things up to smell the roses. The universe is not enough for you?

What else do you want or need? Everlasting life perhaps?

It's the false premise that is being discussed here.

do you know the answer to life? do you know the answer to the universe?

...what false premise? you assume you know the answers, i do not. call me a coward because i fear God, and a fool because i believe i have to fear nothing else. you may believe that the Homo Sapien is at the top of a scale, isn't it possible that we are at the bottom of the scale, having reason, and with it 'needs'? what is wrong with Humility, and Grace, Charity, above all? are they within the realm of religion, and that is all?

No I don't assume to know the answers.

I just don't believe in creation by a superior being.

Science does not pretend to know it all, nor does it make things up. Religion does that and on top of that they tell you to have faith in it without question. Science does not do that but continues to explore.

The theories of a supreme creator of the universe is the false premise here. Who created this supreme being?

...you cannot dismiss the existence of God based on religion's failings, even the personification of God, as a being, is vain, what is the Universe, and how it was created remain unclear, we know at least, if we keep searching, we learn more, Science and God are not mutually exclusive, although it seems that science and religion in many cases are at odds. God is, science like religion can only define from their observations, truthfully (or not). and there lies the dilemma, where we (Persons as Individuals) imagine (read: generalise) often, like, all people are the same (read: people are like me), and where we (Individuals as Persons) prepare ourselves with dogmas and creeds to provide us this comfort within their confines, its harmony; science as much as religion can offer this sanctity (for good, or for evil).

Firstly RW,

I suggest you read my posts again because I have not dismissed anything.

Secondly, I am Atheist not because of the failings of religion but because of the lack of evidence or lack of any explanation that makes sense to me and some clear rational failings on their part.

I can't believe because man said so. They have to explain WHY and they have to come up with some evidence which for me science has to a great extent to satisfy my lack of belief.

[Paphitis]

Learning? I studied all these things in my early 20s.

I know most of the dodgy parts in the bible but I'm not gonna give them to you on a plate!

Anyway, none of those make me get cavalier and assume that everything is wrong and there is no God!

Like I said before… to me the existence of God is one thing and Man’s interpretations thereof quite another.

Well you didn't do a very good job back then but you have made progress today.

Yes both things are completely different. One is based on man made superstition while the other demands reason and science. When people tell you something, the first question must always be "Why? Why is it so? How does that work"?

"Why? Why? Why? What is the purpose of that"?

One thing many people do not know about me is that I have a teaching and Instructional Background. The key fundamental to teaching is making the student understand the theory of how things work. You need to explain WHY?

Now take a rest!

Just run along little koala snot because when I was studying biblical matters you probably didn’t even exist, and you haven’t even started studying yet!

You’ve posted nothing thus far that demonstrates even the most BASIC of biblical knowledge!

Well there lies your problem. Your mummy and daddy gave you a bible, a Winnie the poo book, and little miss riding hood and you believed then they were all true.

It's a good thing you are comming to your senses with your recent breakthrough!

[miltiades]

Somewhere in the bible there is a ...perfectly logical explanation as to why there are white men, Black men ( now this is interesting ) that's why I use capital B.
Chinese too. Some of our learned religious scholars might enlighten us.

[Garavnoss]

Somewhere in the bible there is a ...perfectly logical explanation as to why there are white men, Black men ( now this is interesting ) that's why I use capital B.
Chinese too. Some of our learned religious scholars might enlighten us.

Not wishing to present myself as a Biblical Scholar, I am somewhat surprised that you make the above request since it is quite in order to suggest that you are in possession of a copy of the "Gideon Bible".

How you came into possession of it is irrelevant since the distribution methods are often criticised, (said to encourage theft), as copies are left in Hotel rooms and other accommodations specifically asking that they should not be removed yet hoping that they would.

In the Old Testament Ham is referred to as a Black, he has a son named Cush (which in ancient Hebrew means Black) and the tribes of Cush and others apparently locate in the African regions.

Whether or not the term Black refers to skin colour, has another meaning or describes varying shades of complexion is a matter still under discussion among Learned Scholars, it probably suits them to avoid a positive resolution as it allows them a source of debate which may be mulled over until the day of Jubilo.

The above facts (regarding Blacks) are easily researched, I received them whilst in Kindergarten.

As to the "Gideon Bible", I have one at hand in my Hotel room and it will be left there when I leave, that's how incorruptible I am.