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[Oceanside50]

First of all Russia and Turkey do not share a border Secondly for Russia the 40.000 troops that Turkey has in Cyprus are peanuts For Russia a freed Cyprus would be ideal because both Turkish troops and British troops are NATO troops. If you think of it Cyprus is occupied by NATO troops with American made weapons.[/quote]

What did you say re Soto? no disputes? dthkiavase gie mou na mathis

There are four zones of overlapping interest for the Turks and Russians.

First, the end of the Soviet empire opened up a wealth of economic opportunities, but very few states have proven adept at penetrating the consumer markets of Ukraine and Russia. Somewhat surprisingly, Turkey is one of those few states. Thanks to the legacy of Soviet central planning, Russian and Ukrainian industry have found it difficult to retool away from heavy industry to produce the consumer goods much in demand in their markets. Because most Ukrainians and Russians cannot afford Western goods, Turkey has carved out a robust and lasting niche with its lower-cost exports; it is now the largest supplier of imports to the Russian market. While this is no exercise in hard power, this Turkish penetration nevertheless is cause for much concern among Russian authorities

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090317 ... z3J04KvYWS


Im asking you again Soto. Where would the Russians rather have the 40,000 turk troops? Next to them in the Caucasus or for them to be your neighbor in Lakatamia? and don't ask anyone to help you answer the question

[Lordo]

what difference does it make to russia oceanman, terggy has half a million troops and 10 million reserves.

[miltiades]

what difference does it make to russia oceanman, terggy has half a million troops and 10 million reserves.

Does this turgggggey hav newklear wibons ?

[Get Real!]

what difference does it make to russia oceanman, terggy has half a million troops and 10 million reserves.

Yeah but if they've got your IQ they're as effective as 10 reserves.

[supporttheunderdog]

Putin is a very dangerous person, in my view. It is a pity that he can get more than 50% of his people to vote for him, albeit by stifling all opposition behind the scenes. Those who stand by and shrug their shoulders or even applaud as Russia under his helm dismembers the sovereign state of Ukraine make the same mistake as those who appeased Germany under Hitler when it annexed Sudetenland from Czechoslovakia.

Putin is not a democrat and you are probably right that he is stifling all opposition behind the scenes. Then again in the USA in practice you just have two parties whose differences are only superficial and which are backed by the same kind of corporations... essentially an oligarchy, not a democracy. Which is why most Americans don't even bother to vote anymore... some thought that Obama would be different but they were disappointed. Crimea & parts of East Ukraine might be similar to Sudetenland... but if you think of it those are parts that are historically inhabited by Russians (Germans in the case of Sudetenland). The Americans have supported far worst things... like what the Jews have done to Palestine, or even worst what the Turks have done to north Cyprus... where the invader has taken territory which was NOT historically inhabited by a majority of their kind. So I am not buying the bullshit that it is OK for the Americans and their satellites to screw other nations but Russia can't even have a say on territories which are inhabited by a majority of Russians. Heck ... even the occupation of Akrotiri and Dhekelia by the British is worst. How the fuck does the UK gets to own parts of Cyprus while Russia can't have a say for what are essentially Russian territories? Putin might be an asshole ... but I think some balance in our world is long overdue!!

My dear Sotos, I am not selling any "bullshit" which says that it is OK for anyone. I do not support any tyrant, I do not believe that any people in the world deserve to live under tyranny (or aspire to do so), I do not support any kind of imperialism or neo-imperialism. In fact, if you condemn Turkey's occupation of part of Cyprus on the grounds that this infringes international law and the sovereignty of a nation recognised under international law, then, logically, you must also condemn Israel's illegal occupation of territory outside its legitimate borders under international law, you must condemn China's occupation of Tibet and, likewise, Russia's illegal annexation of Crimea. If you do not, then you are guilty of hypocrisy. In the case of Ukriane, I thought an amicable solution was staring everybody in the face whereby a "territory for recognition" treaty could be negotiated - Ukraine would cede some territory where most of the people are Russian speakers to Russia and Russia would respect the right of self-determination of the Ukranian people (who are also Orthodox Christians, by the way - if Russia is automatically right in everything because it is Orthodox, as seems to be the way of thinking here, why are the Orthodox Ukranians wrong?) who clearly aspire to move in a liberal direction and ultimately become eligible for EU membership. But 'negotiate' was the word. It was Putin who ended that possibility when using sheer force instead. The issue is still not that cut and dried. A referendum was held in 1991 and the Russian-speaking areas also supported Ukranian independence. A lot of the people in Ukriane who now speak Russian had Ukranian-speaking grandparents and great-grandparents and they speak Russian as a result of Stalinist forced Russification, not because they were originally ethnically Russian people. Your argument about the USA is well understood. One of the ways that Putin has managed to cement his power behind the facade of elections is by stifling press freedom and ensuring that all of the media acts as his propaganda outlet, thus ending all meaningful debate around elections and turning them into a charade. Of course, if you look at a country like the UK with its right-wing tabloids backed up by big money that set a right wing agenda, or look at Germany, where one single newspaper, Bild, serves this function, you have to ask how different things are. I sometimes wonder as to the real reason for the killing of president Kennedy and I am sure it was because he was treading on the toes of the real rulers of the country behind the scenes - remember Roosevelt's enigmatic words "Beware the military-industrial complex" - and this, if true, shows that democracy is ultimately a sham everywhere. This all harks back to back to the debate among left-wingers at the outbreak of World War II as to whether to remain neutral as a liberal brand of capitalism fights it out against an autocratic brand of capitalism, or whether liberal democracy, ultimately a sham that it may be, is worth fighting for against fascism. I believe that the latter is true.

With serious hat on I got to say Great post Tim.

one of the best.....

[yialousa1971]

Putin and Australian PM had a very frosty exchange in Beijing.

Australian PM warned Putin to abide by UN Resolutions on the investigation of the downing of MH17. He told Putin that he has solid evidence that the missile was fired from a launcher which was relocated into Russia.

Putin is due into Brisbane for the G20.

Meanwhile, 4 Russian Warships are headed for Australia. The warships have been intercepted by an Australian Destroyer and another is due there tomorrow and with more warships on their way. The Russian Aircraft are under constant surveillance by Orion aircraft which are circling the ships.

US warships are also on their way.

The Cold War is back on folks. Enjoy the threat of nuclear annihilation!

Big ears is just another Zionist

You're just bloody ridiculous.

Everyone is a Zionist to you. Abbott is a catholic idiot!

A very devout Catholic I might add. He was actually a Monk at one stage and was about to be a priest before politics.

He is our version of Makarios!

Abbott: We are all Israeli
March 16, 2012



FEDERAL Opposition Leader Tony Abbott gave a strong endorsement of Israel’s right to defend itself during a speech at the Central Synagogue last Friday night.

Appearing as a special guest as part of Central’s ongoing “Studio Central” youth program, Abbott spoke about the contribution Jewish Australians have made to our nation, before noting the similarities between Australia and Israel.

“In so many ways, [Israel is] a country so much like Australia, a liberal, pluralist democracy,” he said, “A beacon of freedom and hope in a part of the world which has so little freedom and hope.”

He added that Australians “can hardly begin to comprehend” the existential threat Israelis live under. “It is so easy for us in Australia to get moral qualms, if you like, when we read about Israeli actions in – on the West Bank for instance – or Israeli involvement in Lebanon.”

“And yet, we are not threatened in the way Israel was and is, and if we were threatened in the way Israel was and is, I am sure that we would take actions just as strong in our own defence. “When Israel is fighting for its very life, well, as far as I’m concerned, Australians are Israelis. "We are all Israelis in those circumstances.”

https://www.jewishnews.net.au/abbott-we ... aeli/25335

[Paphitis]

Putin and Australian PM had a very frosty exchange in Beijing.

Australian PM warned Putin to abide by UN Resolutions on the investigation of the downing of MH17. He told Putin that he has solid evidence that the missile was fired from a launcher which was relocated into Russia.

Putin is due into Brisbane for the G20.

Meanwhile, 4 Russian Warships are headed for Australia. The warships have been intercepted by an Australian Destroyer and another is due there tomorrow and with more warships on their way. The Russian Aircraft are under constant surveillance by Orion aircraft which are circling the ships.

US warships are also on their way.

The Cold War is back on folks. Enjoy the threat of nuclear annihilation!

Big ears is just another Zionist

You're just bloody ridiculous.

Everyone is a Zionist to you. Abbott is a catholic idiot!

A very devout Catholic I might add. He was actually a Monk at one stage and was about to be a priest before politics.

He is our version of Makarios!

Abbott: We are all Israeli
March 16, 2012



FEDERAL Opposition Leader Tony Abbott gave a strong endorsement of Israel’s right to defend itself during a speech at the Central Synagogue last Friday night.

Appearing as a special guest as part of Central’s ongoing “Studio Central” youth program, Abbott spoke about the contribution Jewish Australians have made to our nation, before noting the similarities between Australia and Israel.

“In so many ways, [Israel is] a country so much like Australia, a liberal, pluralist democracy,” he said, “A beacon of freedom and hope in a part of the world which has so little freedom and hope.”

He added that Australians “can hardly begin to comprehend” the existential threat Israelis live under. “It is so easy for us in Australia to get moral qualms, if you like, when we read about Israeli actions in – on the West Bank for instance – or Israeli involvement in Lebanon.”

“And yet, we are not threatened in the way Israel was and is, and if we were threatened in the way Israel was and is, I am sure that we would take actions just as strong in our own defence. “When Israel is fighting for its very life, well, as far as I’m concerned, Australians are Israelis. "We are all Israelis in those circumstances.”

https://www.jewishnews.net.au/abbott-we ... aeli/25335

The Australian PM is also known to have attended Greek Orthodox Churches and address the congregation. He has even attended Mosques, Lutheran Churches, Anglican etc etc. His denomination is Catholicism, and he is very devout at that. Probably got no time to attend his own Church with his current commitments but he is known for his religiosity and belief, so much so they actually call him "The Monk" and was even going to become a Priest. Naturally, he is very conservative, opposes Abortion, Gay Marriages, and Prostitution among other things. His minders and his spin doctors package him in such a way to make him relevant and to not appear so "straight" so to speak and actually identify with other groups and not shoot himself in the foot.

His party has 2 factions. You have the conservative right faction (which he is a part of) and who are referred to as the 'Dry', and the left wing socialist faction (Alexander Downer, Malcolm Fraser, Peter Costello and the Republican Movement's Malcolm Turnbull) who are referred to as the "Wets". Both factions are middle right and middle left although there are some extreme elements in the mix as well. The Australian PM is probably from the extremish right when it comes to things like Gay Marriage, and Abortion.

Abbott is right up your alley to be honest and he is no Jew. He is also no Orthodox, Anglican, or Lutheran. He has always been upfront about his Catholicism and appears to be very proud and devout.

His values are clear for all to see. You however have none! You're just a racist little pig! I am sure the Jews would much prefer you hate them because that would be a badge of honour for them.