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[boulio]

actually boulio it was the british who took tc lands especially efkaf and in particular varosa and gave it the the gcs.

look it is very simple. 25 percent was offered before and rejected. when something is already rejected why offer the same again. it is illogical except if you have no intention of an agreement in which case tcs keep 37.5 percent. and of course thank our gc cousins for their generosity for it.

the british lordo paid the tc and in particular dektash and kutchuk 1.5 million pounds for the efkaf land before independence for the tc community ,this had been discussed and ruled on by echr a million times.

[Lordo]

you see when land is stolen those who sell and those who receive are all guilty. it makes no difference how much money kuchuk got paid, it was not his land. i am afraid it does not wash, the land belongs to efkaf.

[Kikapu]

you see when land is stolen those who sell and those who receive are all guilty. it makes no difference how much money kuchuk got paid, it was not his land. i am afraid it does not wash, the land belongs to efkaf.

So what you are saying is, Lordo, that large majority of those living in the north are ALL guilty in selling and buying stolen GC land!

Well, well, well!

[Nikitas]

What british and ECHR and other balls are we talking about. It is recorded historical fact, and not an unusual one during feudal times, that when the Ottomans landed they went for what was at that time prime land. The estates of Venetians, walled cities, the more productive pieces of land were grabbed, the rubbish bits were left to the GCs. You can conclude this much from the court and tax records of the Ottoman occupation.

The estuary of the Pedieos river north of Famagusta and the swampy ground just south, swampy since it was the drainage depression for the rain run off from Dherinia and Paralimni were the least desirable bit. Before tourism and before the malaria eradication it was considered rubbish land by all Cypriots and unhealthy to live on and good enough for the infidels.

Nobody said a thing about Evkaf in all the time i remember living in Famagusta. There were centuries old churches built on this "Evkaf land" in Famagusta, like Ayia Zoni and Agios Memnonas which makes you wonder how infidel religious constuction had been allowed on moslem trust land. Now they realise that the Famagusta outrage is untenable and they suddenly find Evkaf claims.

Weasel cynicism, any trick to slide out of doing the right thing. A joke nation, no wonder they need bombastic projects like that ridiculous palace (bigger than Versailles, bigger than the White House!!!!) and a myriad flags (Erdo had EIGHT flags in the "palace" reception) to counteract their collective insecurity.

[repulsewarrior]

...indeed, stolen land or not it is a matter for the Courts of the Republic of Cyprus to sort out as an internal matter among Citizens of Cyprus. the land is not "Turkish" or "Greek", it "belongs" to a Cypriot in any case. seems to me if 'evkaf' has a case, it will boil down to someone British, since as is popularly said by "Turks", Cyprus never existed, especially if as you say Denktash, and Ecevit are co-conspirators. whatever the Republic may be guilty of, it is not theft, "you" should be likening them (the so-called "Greeks" who take empty land and make it "beautiful") to the carpetbaggers; Greek Cyprus, as you say, should show more tolerance toward them, maybe so called Cypriot Turks should be acting accordingly.

...you want choice, give back Famagusta unconditionally to the people it actually belongs to, let them decide what 'Administration' they will choose.

[Lordo]

you see when land is stolen those who sell and those who receive are all guilty. it makes no difference how much money kuchuk got paid, it was not his land. i am afraid it does not wash, the land belongs to efkaf.

So what you are saying is, Lordo, that large majority of those living in the north are ALL guilty in selling and buying stolen GC land!

Well, well, well!

read it one more time old man you are suffering from bafititus. and making a tit of yourself into the bargain.

[Lordo]

...indeed, stolen land or not it is a matter for the Courts of the Republic of Cyprus to sort out as an internal matter among Citizens of Cyprus. the land is not "Turkish" or "Greek", it "belongs" to a Cypriot in any case. seems to me if 'evkaf' has a case, it will boil down to someone British, since as is popularly said by "Turks", Cyprus never existed, especially if as you say Denktash, and Ecevit are co-conspirators. whatever the Republic may be guilty of, it is not theft, "you" should be likening them (the so-called "Greeks" who take empty land and make it "beautiful") to the carpetbaggers; Greek Cyprus, as you say, should show more tolerance toward them, maybe so called Cypriot Turks should be acting accordingly.

...you want choice, give back Famagusta unconditionally to the people it actually belongs to, let them decide what 'Administration' they will choose.

rw you do live in dream land sometimes. you really believe that the groc courts are going to be trusted by any tcs. come on man. we may as well pack up and go home. it is over.

maras was given back unconditionally and was refused decades. you only get one bite at the cherry. ask kickapooooooo he know all about cherries. now you get nothing for nothing. there was an offer for maras against ercan open to international traffic. that has also been lost now. what was offered in the past will not be offered ever again.

[boulio]

The govt spokesman summed it up the best,"we didn't represent a map but criteria the tc state may not even be 25% but less"

Lordo the 29% that has been discussed all these years was made under the assumption that the remaining refugees that didn't get their land back under a gs constituent state would be allow to return to a tc state with full political rights,Since the tc demand strict bizonality and restrictions on return of refugees the tc state will be reduced further.

[bill cobbett]

Boys, boys, boys...!!! ... and Shistro,

You should all be wise enough in matters CyProb to know (with the exception of Dumbo) that there is nothing of substance in this claim of a leaked map and list of villages etc etc.

Isn't it all just pre-"election" scaremongering by Eroglu....???

[Kikapu]

you see when land is stolen those who sell and those who receive are all guilty. it makes no difference how much money kuchuk got paid, it was not his land. i am afraid it does not wash, the land belongs to efkaf.

So what you are saying is, Lordo, that large majority of those living in the north are ALL guilty in selling and buying stolen GC land!

Well, well, well!

read it one more time old man you are suffering from bafititus. and making a tit of yourself into the bargain.

Reading anything you write more than once can only damage one's brain and still does not change the fact on what you wrote.

Perhaps you are suffering brain damage yourself by re-reading everything you write?