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Erdoğan is suddenly talking about ground troops with a Turkish contribution.

I don't know about this.

Turkey is a country I do not trust. Once they go for a land grab into Syria, they won't want to give it back.

Anatolia's reluctancy to support the coalition stems from their fear of Kurdish independence in Kurdish Syria and Iraq.
The Kurds surely will claim an independent chunk of Syrian territory, and the coalition wont hesitate to carve Iraq and Syria into pieces and give the Kurds (and rightfully so) a piece of it.
Once Kurdistan establishes an officially recognized territory they'll further make claims into their historically native so called 'Turkish' territory.
That's what the Anatolians are afraid of.

[miltiades]

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2014/09/25/greece-brings-war-against-the-islamic-state/

Some 40 nations worldwide have joined the coalition against the barbarians.

I was very surprised to hear David Cameron telling Parliament that this "war" would not last months but years.

Let me add my thoughts on this.

ISIS will be defeated and utterly destroyed before the end of 2014.

There are however more than 50 different Islamist designated terrorist groups worldwide, was David Cameron referring to these groups as well, I wonder.

Milti,

Cameron is correct to be preparing his country for a long battle lasting a number of years.

Firstly, ISIL should be defeated soon in Iraq. In Iraq we have the boots on the ground - Peshmerga and Iraqi Security Forces. We will arm both to the teeth, provide logistics and training. They should be able to confront ISIL on the ground, with our air support. Once ISIL retreat to Syria, it becomes a little more difficult because in Syria we do not have the boots on the ground.

We do not know who to support there. There are many militant groups and all are pretty bad. The FSA seem to be the most moderate, but they too are not ideal. We are also hesitant to support the Assad Regime because his regime is just as bad as ISIL when he is prepared to Gas his own people. He did so not long ago killing 1700 civilians.

However, Assad has an opportunity to negotiate with the coalition. Maybe he might be prepared to give up his chemical and biological arsenal and promise to take a moderate line. Potentially, we could assist him under the right circumstances and support him in regaining control of his country in which case we end up with Syrian Boots on the ground. The other option is the FSA which also has extreme undertones.

At present though. We don't have a lot of options. We can attack them from the air, and every strike kills a few of them but they are bunkered down very well in towns and cities. To defeat them, we need troops on the ground. Eventually it will come to a head and the coalition will send troops - mission creep. There are also several splinter groups like Al Nusra which we need to destroy. All this will take time. Potentially as it stands, it could take a decade or more.

The Nazis were defeated, as well as the Japanese, in 6 years. A determined coalition surely can eliminate 30 or so thousand psychopaths, or rather 30,001 including our very own.

Come the end of this year ISIS will have passed its behead by date, of course there are other equally ruthless savages, they too must be eliminated.

[Tim Drayton]

Erdoğan is suddenly talking about ground troops with a Turkish contribution.

I don't know about this.

Turkey is a country I do not trust. Once they go for a land grab into Syria, they won't want to give it back.

I would certainly agree with you as far as having no trust in Turkey's current regime goes. There is a paradox given the abundance of circumstantial evidence showing that Erdoğan and the AKP are sympathetic towards Islamic State, if not outright supporters of them, hardly surprising given that their ultimate aim is to re-islamify Turkey and return it to strict Sharia law. It seems to me that the taking of 49 Turkish hostages by Islamic state was a staged ploy to give Turkey a pretext for not taking any action, but the equal ease with which they were released suggests that the US is putting such pressure on potential allies to join the coalition that it has had to abandon this strategy and knows that it has to show willingness to line up with the anti-IS coalition. Erdoğan is now talking about a ground operation, but is saying that the overthrow of the Assad regime must also be part of its remit. Possibly the Gulf states and Turkey, who want to see Sunni regimes installed in the region, are trying to regain the initiative and by calling for Assad to be toppled as part of the campaign, given that free elections would most probably see a Sunni regime installed in Syria, which has a Sunni majority. It is interesting to hear Erdoğan say that he recognises the legitimacy of the government in Iraq, but not in Syria.

[Paphitis]

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2014/09/25/greece-brings-war-against-the-islamic-state/

Some 40 nations worldwide have joined the coalition against the barbarians.

I was very surprised to hear David Cameron telling Parliament that this "war" would not last months but years.

Let me add my thoughts on this.

ISIS will be defeated and utterly destroyed before the end of 2014.

There are however more than 50 different Islamist designated terrorist groups worldwide, was David Cameron referring to these groups as well, I wonder.

Milti,

Cameron is correct to be preparing his country for a long battle lasting a number of years.

Firstly, ISIL should be defeated soon in Iraq. In Iraq we have the boots on the ground - Peshmerga and Iraqi Security Forces. We will arm both to the teeth, provide logistics and training. They should be able to confront ISIL on the ground, with our air support. Once ISIL retreat to Syria, it becomes a little more difficult because in Syria we do not have the boots on the ground.

We do not know who to support there. There are many militant groups and all are pretty bad. The FSA seem to be the most moderate, but they too are not ideal. We are also hesitant to support the Assad Regime because his regime is just as bad as ISIL when he is prepared to Gas his own people. He did so not long ago killing 1700 civilians.

However, Assad has an opportunity to negotiate with the coalition. Maybe he might be prepared to give up his chemical and biological arsenal and promise to take a moderate line. Potentially, we could assist him under the right circumstances and support him in regaining control of his country in which case we end up with Syrian Boots on the ground. The other option is the FSA which also has extreme undertones.

At present though. We don't have a lot of options. We can attack them from the air, and every strike kills a few of them but they are bunkered down very well in towns and cities. To defeat them, we need troops on the ground. Eventually it will come to a head and the coalition will send troops - mission creep. There are also several splinter groups like Al Nusra which we need to destroy. All this will take time. Potentially as it stands, it could take a decade or more.

The Nazis were defeated, as well as the Japanese, in 6 years. A determined coalition surely can eliminate 30 or so thousand psychopaths, or rather 30,001 including our very own.

Come the end of this year ISIS will have passed its behead by date, of course there are other equally ruthless savages, they too must be eliminated.

Once again Milti, you are too focused on the numbers.

The US and its coalition will find it very difficult to defeat 30,000 ISIL fighters in Syria IF they do not have ground troops to clear them out town to town. Once they are in the open, is when Air Power is very effective.

[Paphitis]

Erdoğan is suddenly talking about ground troops with a Turkish contribution.

I don't know about this.

Turkey is a country I do not trust. Once they go for a land grab into Syria, they won't want to give it back.

Anatolia's reluctancy to support the coalition stems from their fear of Kurdish independence in Kurdish Syria and Iraq.
The Kurds surely will claim an independent chunk of Syrian territory, and the coalition wont hesitate to carve Iraq and Syria into pieces and give the Kurds (and rightfully so) a piece of it.
Once Kurdistan establishes an officially recognized territory they'll further make claims into their historically native so called 'Turkish' territory.
That's what the Anatolians are afraid of.

Once again, I do not trust the Turks. They play for keeps and I also fear they will attack our Kurdish Friends.

I support the right of the Kurds to establish their own State. They deserve this and the Kurds must be protected from anyone that wants to attack the poor buggers.

[Paphitis]

Erdoğan is suddenly talking about ground troops with a Turkish contribution.

I don't know about this.

Turkey is a country I do not trust. Once they go for a land grab into Syria, they won't want to give it back.

I would certainly agree with you as far as having no trust in Turkey's current regime goes. There is a paradox given the abundance of circumstantial evidence showing that Erdoğan and the AKP are sympathetic towards Islamic State, if not outright supporters of them, hardly surprising given that their ultimate aim is to re-islamify Turkey and return it to strict Sharia law. It seems to me that the taking of 49 Turkish hostages by Islamic state was a staged ploy to give Turkey a pretext for not taking any action, but the equal ease with which they were released suggests that the US is putting such pressure on potential allies to join the coalition that it has had to abandon this strategy and knows that it has to show willingness to line up with the anti-IS coalition. Erdoğan is now talking about a ground operation, but is saying that the overthrow of the Assad regime must also be part of its remit. Possibly the Gulf states and Turkey, who want to see Sunni regimes installed in the region, are trying to regain the initiative and by calling for Assad to be toppled as part of the campaign, given that free elections would most probably see a Sunni regime installed in Syria, which has a Sunni majority. It is interesting to hear Erdoğan say that he recognises the legitimacy of the government in Iraq, but not in Syria.

Agreed!

I have concerns.

These Turkish Troops will need to be on a very short leash and I fear for the Kurds.

I can't see Turkey playing to the rules here.

[Tim Drayton]

Erdoğan is suddenly talking about ground troops with a Turkish contribution.

I don't know about this.

Turkey is a country I do not trust. Once they go for a land grab into Syria, they won't want to give it back.

I would certainly agree with you as far as having no trust in Turkey's current regime goes. There is a paradox given the abundance of circumstantial evidence showing that Erdoğan and the AKP are sympathetic towards Islamic State, if not outright supporters of them, hardly surprising given that their ultimate aim is to re-islamify Turkey and return it to strict Sharia law. It seems to me that the taking of 49 Turkish hostages by Islamic state was a staged ploy to give Turkey a pretext for not taking any action, but the equal ease with which they were released suggests that the US is putting such pressure on potential allies to join the coalition that it has had to abandon this strategy and knows that it has to show willingness to line up with the anti-IS coalition. Erdoğan is now talking about a ground operation, but is saying that the overthrow of the Assad regime must also be part of its remit. Possibly the Gulf states and Turkey, who want to see Sunni regimes installed in the region, are trying to regain the initiative and by calling for Assad to be toppled as part of the campaign, given that free elections would most probably see a Sunni regime installed in Syria, which has a Sunni majority. It is interesting to hear Erdoğan say that he recognises the legitimacy of the government in Iraq, but not in Syria.

Agreed!

I have concerns.

These Turkish Troops will need to be on a very short leash and I fear for the Kurds.

I can't see Turkey playing to the rules here.

With IS forces attempting to take the Kurdish region of Syria just now, they are very close to the Turkish border. A couple of days ago one of their missiles actually landed just inside Turkey and the Turkish army fired one back in retaliation at the place where the first missile came from. Turkey could easily be given a valid excuse for becoming engaged, should it so wish.

[Get Real!]

First email on its way .

Thanks, got it!

Err, do you have any others with no grammar and spelling mistakes?

[Paphitis]

Erdoğan is suddenly talking about ground troops with a Turkish contribution.

I don't know about this.

Turkey is a country I do not trust. Once they go for a land grab into Syria, they won't want to give it back.

I would certainly agree with you as far as having no trust in Turkey's current regime goes. There is a paradox given the abundance of circumstantial evidence showing that Erdoğan and the AKP are sympathetic towards Islamic State, if not outright supporters of them, hardly surprising given that their ultimate aim is to re-islamify Turkey and return it to strict Sharia law. It seems to me that the taking of 49 Turkish hostages by Islamic state was a staged ploy to give Turkey a pretext for not taking any action, but the equal ease with which they were released suggests that the US is putting such pressure on potential allies to join the coalition that it has had to abandon this strategy and knows that it has to show willingness to line up with the anti-IS coalition. Erdoğan is now talking about a ground operation, but is saying that the overthrow of the Assad regime must also be part of its remit. Possibly the Gulf states and Turkey, who want to see Sunni regimes installed in the region, are trying to regain the initiative and by calling for Assad to be toppled as part of the campaign, given that free elections would most probably see a Sunni regime installed in Syria, which has a Sunni majority. It is interesting to hear Erdoğan say that he recognises the legitimacy of the government in Iraq, but not in Syria.

Agreed!

I have concerns.

These Turkish Troops will need to be on a very short leash and I fear for the Kurds.

I can't see Turkey playing to the rules here.

With IS forces attempting to take the Kurdish region of Syria just now, they are very close to the Turkish border. A couple of days ago one of their missiles actually landed just inside Turkey and the Turkish army fired one back in retaliation at the place where the first missile came from. Turkey could easily be given a valid excuse for becoming engaged, should it so wish.

I believe they have many valid excuses, but it's their motives I do not trust and what they potentially could do.

[miltiades]

First email on its way .

Thanks, got it!

Err, do you have any others with no grammar and spelling mistakes?

Any ...others emails ?? Indeed you are a highly ...educated.. kunt !!!
Spot the ....others mistakes
When you are done piss off to your family in Syria and blow your useless, idiotic perverted self ...AP !!