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[Kikapu]

Are you saying that the other states want independence too? Is Australia kept together by force against the will of the people How democratic is that?

No! In order to dissolve the Commonwealth, a referendum will have to come to pass in all States and Territories. It's not easy for Tasmania or any other State.

So no democracy in Australia then

A lot of democracy and a lot of accountability!

A few years ago there was a constitutional referendum on the Monarch.

States have the power to have an independence Referendum which will be nation wide because it involves changing the Constitution. States are also self governing, with their own laws, police, and institutions. In fact, an Australian or US State has the entire infrastructure and institutions of a small Country with the exception that they do not have their own military.

They can even sign deals with other countries.

They have their own Parliament, Senate, Public Service, Judiciary, Education System, Health System etc etc.

Now put that in the context of Tasmania and you will find that this small Stare with a population of 500,000, you will see that the average Tasmanian Citizen is actually over represented compared to New South Wales, Victoria or Queensland.

I don't know about Australia, but in the US, each state does have it's own "military" in the form of National Guards who are mainly reserves, the same guys the Federal government sends to war in other countries when the regular military guys return home for a break. The National Guard is used whenever the police force is no longer able to have a handle on the situation in mass riots, or when ever there is a natural disaster. Only the Governor of each state can utilize the NG. They are in effect the "Commander in Chief" for their own state's "military"..

[Paphitis]

Are you saying that the other states want independence too? Is Australia kept together by force against the will of the people How democratic is that?

No! In order to dissolve the Commonwealth, a referendum will have to come to pass in all States and Territories. It's not easy for Tasmania or any other State.

So no democracy in Australia then

A lot of democracy and a lot of accountability!

A few years ago there was a constitutional referendum on the Monarch.

States have the power to have an independence Referendum which will be nation wide because it involves changing the Constitution. States are also self governing, with their own laws, police, and institutions. In fact, an Australian or US State has the entire infrastructure and institutions of a small Country with the exception that they do not have their own military.

They can even sign deals with other countries.

They have their own Parliament, Senate, Public Service, Judiciary, Education System, Health System etc etc.

Now put that in the context of Tasmania and you will find that this small Stare with a population of 500,000, you will see that the average Tasmanian Citizen is actually over represented compared to New South Wales, Victoria or Queensland.

I don't know about Australia, but in the US, each state does have it's own "military" in the form of National Guards who are mainly reserves, the same guys the Federal government sends to war in other countries when the regular military guys return home for a break. The National Guard is used whenever the police force is no longer able to have a handle on the situation in mass riots, or when ever there is a natural disaster. Only the Governor of each state can utilize the NG. They are in effect the "Commander in Chief" for their own state's "military"..

No NG just the state police and State Emergency Services.

We don't have a NG. Just the Australian Defence Force which comes under the jurisdiction of the the Federal Government, along with ASIO, ASIC, Defence Signals Directorate, Customs and Border Protection, Coastwatch (Kind of a NG), Immigration, Aviation Regulator, Federal Bank, Foreign Affairs, Trade, Federal Police, etc. I think I got most of it.

It's very minimalist. The States are responsible for everything else but when there is a massive disaster, then all resources are pooled together and even the military could be deployed during Cyclones etc.

[kurupetos]

...there is an Australia, "they" are within, and it is Australians, as Australians who vote for the Federal Government, even if as electors, the People, as Persons, can sustain their own distinct identities: there are two levels of Government (is that correct?).

I have a question... Who cares?

Maybe you should because you are looking at the future of the RoC!

I wish for a future without Zionists in Cyprus... and in the world.

They may burn in hell forever...

[Sotos]

Are you saying that the other states want independence too? Is Australia kept together by force against the will of the people How democratic is that?

No! In order to dissolve the Commonwealth, a referendum will have to come to pass in all States and Territories. It's not easy for Tasmania or any other State.

So no democracy in Australia then

A lot of democracy and a lot of accountability!

A few years ago there was a constitutional referendum on the Monarch.

States have the power to have an independence Referendum which will be nation wide because it involves changing the Constitution. States are also self governing, with their own laws, police, and institutions. In fact, an Australian or US State has the entire infrastructure and institutions of a small Country with the exception that they do not have their own military.

They can even sign deals with other countries.

They have their own Parliament, Senate, Public Service, Judiciary, Education System, Health System etc etc.

Now put that in the context of Tasmania and you will find that this small Stare with a population of 500,000, you will see that the average Tasmanian Citizen is actually over represented compared to New South Wales, Victoria or Queensland.

Conclusion: Tasmania can NOT be independent unless this is approved by Australia no matter how many Tasmanians want independence.

[Paphitis]

Are you saying that the other states want independence too? Is Australia kept together by force against the will of the people How democratic is that?

No! In order to dissolve the Commonwealth, a referendum will have to come to pass in all States and Territories. It's not easy for Tasmania or any other State.

So no democracy in Australia then

A lot of democracy and a lot of accountability!

A few years ago there was a constitutional referendum on the Monarch.

States have the power to have an independence Referendum which will be nation wide because it involves changing the Constitution. States are also self governing, with their own laws, police, and institutions. In fact, an Australian or US State has the entire infrastructure and institutions of a small Country with the exception that they do not have their own military.

They can even sign deals with other countries.

They have their own Parliament, Senate, Public Service, Judiciary, Education System, Health System etc etc.

Now put that in the context of Tasmania and you will find that this small Stare with a population of 500,000, you will see that the average Tasmanian Citizen is actually over represented compared to New South Wales, Victoria or Queensland.

Conclusion: Tasmania can NOT be independent unless this is approved by Australia no matter how many Tasmanians want independence.

All they need for a referendum is for their Parliament to decide and vote for it. That is Tasmanian Politicians elected by Tasmanians can make that decision.

Then they get a referendum.

That is not the case in Greece.

[Sotos]

Conclusion: Tasmania can NOT be independent unless this is approved by Australia no matter how many Tasmanians want independence.

All they need for a referendum is for their Parliament to decide and vote for it. That is Tasmanian Politicians elected by Tasmanians can make that decision.

Then they get a referendum.

That is not the case in Greece.

Show the part of your constitution where the process you describe is written (state parliament voting to have a referendum for secession). If we are just going to make up things then I could also say that Crete could have a referendum if the majority of the Cretan parliament members ask for it.

[Paphitis]

Conclusion: Tasmania can NOT be independent unless this is approved by Australia no matter how many Tasmanians want independence.

All they need for a referendum is for their Parliament to decide and vote for it. That is Tasmanian Politicians elected by Tasmanians can make that decision.

Then they get a referendum.

That is not the case in Greece.

Show the part of your constitution where the process you describe is written (state parliament voting to have a referendum for secession). If we are just going to make up things then I could also say that Crete could have a referendum if the majority of the Cretan parliament members ask for it.

Sorry! You find it yourself! It's on the net.

State Powers DO have the right to pass a referendum bill to Secede. That is all States, including Tasmania.

I think Territories like the Northern Territory, and the Australian Capital Territory (for obvious reasons) do not have these powers.

[Sotos]

Conclusion: Tasmania can NOT be independent unless this is approved by Australia no matter how many Tasmanians want independence.

All they need for a referendum is for their Parliament to decide and vote for it. That is Tasmanian Politicians elected by Tasmanians can make that decision.

Then they get a referendum.

That is not the case in Greece.

Show the part of your constitution where the process you describe is written (state parliament voting to have a referendum for secession). If we are just going to make up things then I could also say that Crete could have a referendum if the majority of the Cretan parliament members ask for it.

Sorry! You find it yourself! It's on the net.

State Powers DO have the right to pass a referendum bill to Secede. That is all States, including Tasmania.

I think Territories like the Northern Territory, and the Australian Capital Territory (for obvious reasons) do not have these powers.

You are SOOO desperate you are making things up. There is NOTHING in your constitution that allows secession of any state. On the contrary the very first paragraph of your constitution states:

Whereas the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania, humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God, have agreed to unite in one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth

[Paphitis]

Conclusion: Tasmania can NOT be independent unless this is approved by Australia no matter how many Tasmanians want independence.

All they need for a referendum is for their Parliament to decide and vote for it. That is Tasmanian Politicians elected by Tasmanians can make that decision.

Then they get a referendum.

That is not the case in Greece.

Show the part of your constitution where the process you describe is written (state parliament voting to have a referendum for secession). If we are just going to make up things then I could also say that Crete could have a referendum if the majority of the Cretan parliament members ask for it.

Sorry! You find it yourself! It's on the net.

State Powers DO have the right to pass a referendum bill to Secede. That is all States, including Tasmania.

I think Territories like the Northern Territory, and the Australian Capital Territory (for obvious reasons) do not have these powers.

You are SOOO desperate you are making things up. There is NOTHING in your constitution that allows secession of any state. On the contrary the very first paragraph of your constitution states:

Whereas the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania, humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God, have agreed to unite in one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth

No, the States can secede. it is up to you to find it. I am not looking for it myself and wouldn't even know where to start.

You can ask Boomerang or any other Australian. The States have complete power and autonomy under the Constitution.

They can at will vote for a Referendum Bill. But it is one thing having a referendum and actually getting it to pass which is extremely difficult.

The Commonwealth is indissoluble, but they can secede.

The people also have the power to get a referendum if they achieve a petition with 100,000 signatures. that forces parliament to pass a Bill.

There is nothing desperate about it. Federations like Australia are in fact Unions. 6 Colonies voted in 1901 to unify. before then they were their own colonies or countries if you like. With the new Constitution of 1901, they retain certain powers and one of those powers is that they can secede and become a country if a referendum is passed.

[repulsewarrior]

..nothing in the Canadian Constitution allows for the separation of the Provinces, there are separatists in other Provinces, not just Quebec; now there is the Clarity Act, which allows for a fair question, and if won, negotiations, not (just) Independence from the rest of Canada.

in any case, if Crete were to separate, it would not surprise me that they thrive; that would make it three Countries where the overwhelming majority of the population speak Greek.