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by **Paphitis** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:09 pm

Sotos wrote:
Are you saying that the other states want independence too? Is Australia kept together by force against the will of the people How democratic is that?

No! In order to dissolve the Commonwealth, a referendum will have to come to pass in all States and Territories. It's not easy for Tasmania or any other State.

by **Sotos** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:16 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Sotos wrote:
Are you saying that the other states want independence too? Is Australia kept together by force against the will of the people How democratic is that?

No! In order to dissolve the Commonwealth, a referendum will have to come to pass in all States and Territories. It's not easy for Tasmania or any other State.

So no democracy in Australia then

by **kurupetos** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:33 pm

Sotos wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Sotos wrote:
Are you saying that the other states want independence too? Is Australia kept together by force against the will of the people How democratic is that?

No! In order to dissolve the Commonwealth, a referendum will have to come to pass in all States and Territories. It's not easy for Tasmania or any other State.

So no democracy in Australia then

by **Paphitis** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:31 pm

Sotos wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Sotos wrote:
Are you saying that the other states want independence too? Is Australia kept together by force against the will of the people How democratic is that?

No! In order to dissolve the Commonwealth, a referendum will have to come to pass in all States and Territories. It's not easy for Tasmania or any other State.

So no democracy in Australia then

A lot of democracy and a lot of accountability!

A few years ago there was a constitutional referendum on the Monarch.

States have the power to have an independence Referendum which will be nation wide because it involves changing the Constitution. States are also self governing, with their own laws, police, and institutions. In fact, an Australian or US State has the entire infrastructure and institutions of a small Country with the exception that they do not have their own military.

They can even sign deals with other countries.

They have their own Parliament, Senate, Public Service, Judiciary, Education System, Health System etc etc.

Now put that in the context of Tasmania and you will find that this small Stare with a population of 500,000, you will see that the average Tasmanian Citizen is actually over represented compared to New South Wales, Victoria or Queensland.

by **repulsewarrior** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:38 pm

...let me guess, Australia is a Federation, Bizonal, and Bicommunal, therefore.

by **Paphitis** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:41 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...let me guess, Australia is a Federation, Bizonal, and Bicommunal, therefore.

Yes it is a Federation - Officially known as The Commonwealth of Australia. Similar to US or Canada.

A State line is a State line, not like in Cyprus. Police from one State can't cross a State line without approval. Laws change from one State to the next.

by **repulsewarrior** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:03 pm

...there is an Australia, "they" are within, and it is Australians, as Australians who vote for the Federal Government, even if as electors, the People, as Persons, can sustain their own distinct identities: there are two levels of Government (is that correct?).

by **Paphitis** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:23 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...there is an Australia, "they" are within, and it is Australians, as Australians who vote for the Federal Government, even if as electors, the People, as Persons, can sustain their own distinct identities: there are two levels of Government (is that correct?).

Mostly you are correct!

There are 3 levels of Government. Federal, State and Local/Municipalities.

Citizens of Australia vote in Federal Elections to elect their members who will elect a Prime Minister.

Citizens of a State will vote for there representative which will elect their Premier.

There is Federal Parliament, and Senate.

Each State has its own Parliament and Senate. There are 8 State Parliaments and 8 Senates at a State Level.

Then there are the councils.

by **kurupetos** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:31 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...there is an Australia, "they" are within, and it is Australians, as Australians who vote for the Federal Government, even if as electors, the People, as Persons, can sustain their own distinct identities: there are two levels of Government (is that correct?).

I have a question... Who cares? :lol:

by **Paphitis** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:36 pm

kurupetos wrote:
repulsewarrior wrote:...there is an Australia, "they" are within, and it is Australians, as Australians who vote for the Federal Government, even if as electors, the People, as Persons, can sustain their own distinct identities: there are two levels of Government (is that correct?).

I have a question... Who cares?

Maybe you should because you are looking at the future of the RoC! :lol: