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[Paphitis]

Obviously some do!

You're getting desperate. A couple of people do not make an independence movement. In Scotland nearly half the population voted for independence. As the above article by Nikos Konstandaras states clearly there is no desire for Cretan autonomy. In fact the opposite. Cretans have found their identity and security through union with Greece. That is why the article, published this week, is titled CRETE FINDS SELF IN UNION.

In case you still don't get it, the Greek word for Union is ‘Enosis’.

Oh it's more than a couple of people!

You have no idea how many because Greece will not do a poll on it. Maybe they fear the outcome.

Further to this, it is a fact that the independence movement is organized and well funded enough to bombard every mobile phone with their agenda. They are organized enough to have bumper bar stickers on thousands of cars.

Now, we all know that if they have the opportunity to run their campaign, they too can achieve as much support as the Nationalist Scots.

But again, you miss the main point. Just a few days ago you were jumping up and down with glee over the dismantling of the UK. I at least try and give you some credit in attributing your sentiment to respecting the right of the Scottish People to have their own say. But when the shoe is on the other foot, you expose yourself as a hypocrite that really couldn't give 2 hoots for the Scots or the Brits, and now behave like a childish prat when the same questions are posed about Crete.

Bye bye loser!

[Demonax]

Oh it's more than a couple of people!

You have no idea how many because Greece will not do a poll on it. Maybe they fear the outcome.

Further to this, it is a fact that the independence movement is organized and well funded enough to bombard every mobile phone with their agenda. They are organized enough to have bumper bar stickers on thousands of cars.

Now, we all know that if they have the opportunity to run their campaign, they too can achieve as much support as the Nationalist Scots.

But again, you miss the main point. Just a few days ago you were jumping up and down with glee over the dismantling of the UK. I at least try and give you some credit in attributing your sentiment to respecting the right of the Scottish People to have their own say. But when the shoe is on the other foot, you expose yourself as a hypocrite that really couldn't give 2 hoots for the Scots or the Brits, and now behave like a childish prat when the same questions are posed about Crete.

Bye bye loser!

Unfortunately you picked the wrong example. There is no desire for Cretan autonomy. I have linked to an article published this week by a famous Cretan journalist which explicitly nails the issue.

If you think that people who support Scottish independence are hypocrites you need to pick a region where there is a genuine movement for independence such as Catalonia or Northern Italy and ask them what their opinion on holding a referendum in these regions is. Then you might be able to make a case.

Unfortunately you didn't have the common sense to do this. So you have ended up just looking like a twat.

[Paphitis]

Oh it's more than a couple of people!

You have no idea how many because Greece will not do a poll on it. Maybe they fear the outcome.

Further to this, it is a fact that the independence movement is organized and well funded enough to bombard every mobile phone with their agenda. They are organized enough to have bumper bar stickers on thousands of cars.

Now, we all know that if they have the opportunity to run their campaign, they too can achieve as much support as the Nationalist Scots.

But again, you miss the main point. Just a few days ago you were jumping up and down with glee over the dismantling of the UK. I at least try and give you some credit in attributing your sentiment to respecting the right of the Scottish People to have their own say. But when the shoe is on the other foot, you expose yourself as a hypocrite that really couldn't give 2 hoots for the Scots or the Brits, and now behave like a childish prat when the same questions are posed about Crete.

Bye bye loser!

Unfortunately you picked the wrong example. There is no desire for Cretan autonomy. I have linked to an article published this week by a famous Cretan journalist which explicitly nails the issue.

If you think that people who support Scottish independence are hypocrites you need to pick a region where there is a genuine movement for independence such as Catalonia or Northern Italy and ask them what their opinion on holding a referendum in these regions is. Then you might be able to make a case.

Unfortunately you didn't have the common sense to do this. So you have ended up just looking like a twat

No it's exactly the right example and your behaviour was childish to say the least.

You got caught with your pants down. Deal with it!

[Cap]

Now I do not support an independence referendum for Crete. They are deluded to think they can go it alone.

However, the voices of Cretan self determination are growing.

Since we have a number of democrats on this forum (YiaLoser, Kurupetos et al) then I presume they too will jump on this bandwagon and support a referendum for Cretans to have their say about their independence from Greece.

It was extremely touching to see fellow members care so much for the Scots, that I have no doubt that this is extended to Crete.

Not to say that I support Cretan independance.
But it's perfectly understandable.

Imagine being under Athens administration. Good gawd... no thanks.


Cyprus can count itself lucky.
We're extremely shite... but not utterly shite.

[Demonax]

No it's exactly the right example and your behaviour was childish to say the least.

Here is a list of active separatist movements in Europe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ac ... _in_Europe

No mention of Crete. Even Cornwall and Yorkshire get a mention! But not Crete.

Why don't you ask if those who supported Scottish independence support a referendum in Catalonia, Belgium, northern Italy, Bavaria, the Basque country etc?

Then we might have an interesting debate.

[Kikapu]

An Independent Crete or any other Greek islands for that matter could be an idea born by Germany after all the money that has been given to Greece to bail them out, which is way over 200 Billion USD. This money is forever gone and can never be paid back, but not necessary lost in value. The Germans could get some of the Greek islands back for themselves by offering any of the possible newly independent Greek islands to become part of Germany, using it's power-house economy to entice the islanders. Now, any Greek islander will be foolish not to consider such an offer giving the economic condition of Greece for the long run. It may all sound far fetched prospects of the Germans in trying to get few Greek islands in an underhanded way, specially after Greece refused to sell any of it's island to pay back some of the bail money they have taken from the EU (Germany), but for the Germans, it would be a justifiable way to get their money back in the form of some of the Greek islands!

[Demonax]

Imagine being under Athens administration. Good gawd... no thanks. Cyprus can count itself lucky.

Imagine being under German administration. Good gawd... no thanks. Oh bloody hell. We are. Talk about bad luck.

[Cap]

Imagine being under Athens administration. Good gawd... no thanks. Cyprus can count itself lucky.

Imagine being under German administration. Good gawd... no thanks. Oh bloody hell. We are. Talk about bad luck.

Germany is a cultural and economic European superpower.
It's not a coincidence.

[Paphitis]

No it's exactly the right example and your behaviour was childish to say the least.

Here is a list of active separatist movements in Europe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ac ... _in_Europe

No mention of Crete. Even Cornwall and Yorkshire get a mention! But not Crete.

Why don't you ask if those who supported Scottish independence support a referendum in Catalonia, Belgium, northern Italy, Bavaria, the Basque country etc?

Then we might have an interesting debate.

Just because they have been repressed (silenced) and unable to get their message out does not mean that there isn't a movement when they are printing flags and bumper stickers by the thousand plus sending out thousands of SMS messages.

Greece has just been successful at marginalizing them.

[Demonax]

Germany is a cultural and economic European superpower.
It's not a coincidence.

Neither is it a coincidence that under German hegemony and German financial institutional dominance the wider European economy has been a disaster zone the last few years.