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[Alexios]

Zan,
Forst of all where did you see any claim by myself on land distribution???!!
Secondly, please be honest about what you stand to lose if Cyprus is reunited..
Dont worry i wont tell anybody..)

[Viewpoint]

can someone confirm whether all the above votes were made by Turkish Cypriots??? would make the result more credable.

[Kifeas]

Great post Kifeas, how come ppl become fanatics if they dont share your ideas:)

A person that utilises ACTA, the most reactionary source of Turkish Cypriot propaganda that exists on the internet, in order to defend his unacceptable arguments and claims, cannot be called anything else other than a fanatic. ACTA presents a monomaniac and psychotic perspective of the past, most of which is based on lies and exaggerations, in order to consolidate the view that partition is the only feasible and logical solution.

Like ACTA, there are many such GC reactionary propaganda sources on the web. I have never bothered using or quoting anything coming out of such websites. The difference though between ACTA and those GC websites is that ACTA seems to be a state sponsored one. To this end, yes, someone retrieving propaganda material from such websites is also himself a fanatic and a reactionary.

I could have easily turned around most of what is contained in Zan’s initial posting in this thread. I do not want to bother with it. The documented that he quoted, speaks alone and by itself regarding the quality of its arguments and objectiveness.

[Alexios]

Just try communicating with those people Kifeas..I tried and just about escaped ending up a psychotic myself..))

[BirKibrisli]

Dear Zan,

I am surprized that you as an intelligent and cultured TC cannot see that What your post is:highly selected propaganda to support partition.Now before you or Eric Dayi jump on me,I am not saying that post does not contain events which happened.Now a GC can easily come up with a similar propaganda post,a collection of isolated events which might be true but presented in a way to have maximum emotive effect.

Aren't you guys sick of repeating this stuff which is designed to keep the hatred and mistrust between the two communities alive?
When are we going to rise above this primitive stage where we keep vomiting up all this venom only to swallow it whole again for the next time?It is a great shame.

Birkibrisli
My post was selected from the site that I also posted. You can always go there and read the entire 97 pages of events and put my selection into context. I selected those pieces to make a point about the land claims of Piratis and Alexios offering just 18% of a land that should have been handed back to Turkey after the British decided to leave. I however am not laying claim to the whole Island but there are those that are. When I returned to the forum I saw this stupid poll which is purely a personal attack on Eric dayi and myself and decided to post the whole thing here. Where is your complaint about some one as biased and brainwashed as Kifeas posting personal attacks. Where is your outrage? Where is your sense of injustice?
The answer to your final question is I will never get fed up from posting data that I know to be true. Not as long as people like Kifeas post rubbish that they know to be untrue. Where there is hate I will hate. Visit the site Birkibrisli see how the events unfolded and when you get to 1960 know that I was born and my parents had been living there through it. When you get to Black Christmas know that I was in a bath with my siblings whilst the Greeks were killing other children in their bath not a few hundred yards away. Note all the houses that were burnt down and people killed. What happened to their houses and land as they were being ethnically cleansed? Piratis keeps coming out with a magic number of 200,000 where is your sense of injustice at that load of crap. I let him post it and only complain a little because he just makes himself look stupid. 200,000 homes????
I wonder what a poll would show if I set it up to show Kifeass' intelligence but then there is no need to set one up every time he opens his mouth he gives himself away.

I don't know,Zan.I think there is something terribly wrong with me.
Because every time I read or hear those stories(and I've heard them hundreds of times) I get physically sick in my stomach.I would feel the same if I read the same stories from the GC side.
All I know is that they keep perpetuating the hatred between the communities,and they are poisoning the minds of younger generations as well.You and I and Kifeas and hundreds of thousands of others had our childhood and innocence stolen by this evil thing called zelous nationalism,that is why we are not even able to discuss anything without getting into this race about who was more cruel to whom 30/40 years ago.
Why can't we say i understand your pain and suffering,it is the same as mine,our parents were wrong to do what they did to our homeland which only served the interests of neo- imperialists and fanatical chavinists?
Why can't we apologise and show our children and the generations to come that we are capable of human emotions like empathy and compassion?That we are able to rise above the injustices done to us and struggle for justice and not revenge.
I am not talking only to you,Zan.I am talking to everyone on this forum who think that our fates are sealed by what happened in the past,and we can do nothing better for our country but to continue the partition and the animosity and the mistrust,and the injustices.We are better than that.

During the Black Christmas I was 12 years old.We were in Nicosia and my father went to fight at the trenches.Before he left he gave me a hand grenade and made me promised I would pull the pin and blow myself up together with my mother and three sisters if GC militants came to the door.For three days till my father returned I took that hand grenade everywhere always making sure I knew where my mother and sisters were...Just ask the famous British psychologists what that experience might do to a 12 year old.Then we will talk again.

[zan]

Great post Kifeas, how come ppl become fanatics if they dont share your ideas:)

A person that utilises ACTA, the most reactionary source of Turkish Cypriot propaganda that exists on the internet, in order to defend his unacceptable arguments and claims, cannot be called anything else other than a fanatic. ACTA presents a monomaniac and psychotic perspective of the past, most of which is based on lies and exaggerations, in order to consolidate the view that partition is the only feasible and logical solution.

Like ACTA, there are many such GC reactionary propaganda sources on the web. I have never bothered using or quoting anything coming out of such websites. The difference though between ACTA and those GC websites is that ACTA seems to be a state sponsored one. To this end, yes, someone retrieving propaganda material from such websites is also himself a fanatic and a reactionary.

I could have easily turned around most of what is contained in Zan’s initial posting in this thread. I do not want to bother with it. The documented that he quoted, speaks alone and by itself regarding the quality of its arguments and objectiveness.

Very eloquent my friend but it has been tried before. Pontios Pilot, EOKA and now you. There’s not enough soap in the world.

[zan]

Birkibrisli
I am sorry that you have to read these things over and over again but there we were talking and getting on relatively fine and low and behold up pop’s a gremlin. You don’t want to read them because it reminds. Kifeas does not want to read them because it goes against what he thinks he knows. Perhaps I’m a frustrated teacher with ignorant students. They will never pass their exams at this rate.

[zan]

zan, every paragraph in your first post can be found in the exact same way in several websites. Are you here to discuss anything or to just copy paste the same old propaganda?

I have only posted these here. I spent hours reading through 97 pages and compiled my list to prove a point. If it is seen as propaganda then…?

[PEACE]

Well i won't vote to the poll because none of them is my thought or near to it.

If there will be a solution it should be federal,bi-zonal and bi-communal.
Annan Plan can be a base also.

Also there should be protecting precautions about administration of united Cyprus that will prevent Greek Cypriot dominance on Turkish Cypriots.