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[Paphitis]

We are Greek, so how can being free equal citizens of a Greek state, like it is the case with all other Greek islands, be compared with being colonial subjects of a foreign empire? As always you are talking nonsense. If YOU are not Greek... because you have be brought up abroad and you even have English as your main language, then realize you are an ANOMALY, and NOT representative in any way of the vast majority of Cypriots.

Anyone who fights for uniting Cyprus with Greece, is by definition a GREEK patriot and thus can not be a CYPRIOT patriot. Anyone who fights for uniting Cyprus with Turkey is a Turkish patriot and thus can not be a CYPRIOT patriot, Anyone who fights for Cypriot independence, despite what their cultural and ethnic background may be is a CYPRIOT patriot. It really is that simple.

It does not matter how many Greek patriots there may have been or what % of the total population they may or may not have been, if they fight for the gifting of Cyprus to Greece, then they can not be, by definition, a Cypriot patriot, only a Greek patriot.

In the 1770's American patriots were (in large numbers) British in every sense, legally, culturally, ethnically and in every way. What distinguished them from British patriots was the very fact that they fought for their independence DESPITE their British cultural, ethnic, linguist, religious roots.

The word "patriot" is from the Greek word "πατρίδα" which means 2 things in Greek: (1) The country of birth or origin (2) the village/town or territory of origin. So with Cyprus part of Greece Cypriots can be both "Greek patriots" and "Cypriot patriots" or even "somevillagename patriots"
http://el.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%80%CE ... E%B4%CE%B1

The "Americans" (the British in every sense ones... not the native ones) did what they did out of pure self-interest ... they had just stolen vast amounts of territories and they wanted to keep it all for themselves than sharing the spoils with the Royals in England. Maybe you can find a few more examples like that but those are the EXCEPTION. The RULE is that people in places that share the same language, same religion and same culture WANT to be part of the same country. Otherwise every little island and village would be a separate country. And I emphasize the word WANT here ... because if the native people of a territory WANT to have independence then by all means they should ... so you can have San Marino or Monaco as exceptions but then you have 1000s of other big and small Italian and French towns which don't want to be a state on their own and nobody should force them to be.

You see what I mean?

You guys learn this rubbish at Primary School and stick with it.

There comes a time when a young country actually matures and wants nothing to do with any mammas and forge their own identity rather than piggy back another.

[Get Real!]

The word "patriot" is from the Greek word "πατρίδα" which means 2 things in Greek: (1) The country of birth or origin (2) the village/town or territory of origin. So with Cyprus part of Greece Cypriots can be both "Greek patriots" and "Cypriot patriots" or even "somevillagename patriots"

That’s 100% pure cocaine talking!

Some years ago I suggested we have a basic IQ test for admittance into the forum’s CyProb section and everyone thought I was crazy... well look at you now!

[erolz66]

The word "patriot" is from the Greek word "πατρίδα" which means 2 things in Greek: (1) The country of birth or origin (2) the village/town or territory of origin. So with Cyprus part of Greece Cypriots can be both "Greek patriots" and "Cypriot patriots" or even "somevillagename patriots"

Thank you, Sotos. As I tried to explain to our Turkish friend earlier, you can be both a Cretan patriot and a Greek Patriot. The majority of Cypriots who fought against the British in the 1950s similarly saw themselves as both Cypriot and Greek patriots as they considered Cyprus to be fundamentally a Greek island.

You people are so funny. Show me a single dictionary where the definition of the English word patriot includes "one who loves his or her village/town or territory of origin and supports its authority and interests". Such a definition of the English word patriot does not exist. You have literally made it up. What is interesting is why you have to do this in order to protect your delusions. You want to believe, indeed you need to believe that someone fighting for the union of Cyprus with Greece can be a Cypriot patriot, so you simply change the dictionary defined meaning of patriot. If you could actually understand why you have to go to such extreme lengths as changing the meaning of words in order to fit you delusions we might actually be getting somewhere but I doubt you are capable of doing that.

[Sotos]

The word "patriot" is from the Greek word "πατρίδα" which means 2 things in Greek: (1) The country of birth or origin (2) the village/town or territory of origin. So with Cyprus part of Greece Cypriots can be both "Greek patriots" and "Cypriot patriots" or even "somevillagename patriots"

Thank you, Sotos. As I tried to explain to our Turkish friend earlier, you can be both a Cretan patriot and a Greek Patriot. The majority of Cypriots who fought against the British in the 1950s similarly saw themselves as both Cypriot and Greek patriots as they considered Cyprus to be fundamentally a Greek island.

You people are so funny. Show me a single dictionary where the definition of the English word patriot includes "one who loves his or her village/town or territory of origin and supports its authority and interests". Such a definition of the English word patriot does not exist. You have literally made it up. What is interesting is why you have to do this in order to protect your delusions. You want to believe, indeed you need to believe that someone fighting for the union of Cyprus with Greece can be a Cypriot patriot, so you simply change the dictionary defined meaning of patriot. If you could actually understand why you have to go to such extreme lengths as changing the meaning of words in order to fit you delusions we might actually be getting somewhere but I doubt you are capable of doing that.

The English word "patriot" is a derivative of a derivative of a derivative ... the ORIGINAL word is GREEK. Obviously somebody can love his village AND his island AND his whole country. It makes PERFECT sense because loving your whole country doesn't mean that you love your local region any less as you are trying to imply.
http://el.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%80%CE ... E%B4%CE%B1

[Sotos]

We are Greek, so how can being free equal citizens of a Greek state, like it is the case with all other Greek islands, be compared with being colonial subjects of a foreign empire? As always you are talking nonsense. If YOU are not Greek... because you have be brought up abroad and you even have English as your main language, then realize you are an ANOMALY, and NOT representative in any way of the vast majority of Cypriots.

Anyone who fights for uniting Cyprus with Greece, is by definition a GREEK patriot and thus can not be a CYPRIOT patriot. Anyone who fights for uniting Cyprus with Turkey is a Turkish patriot and thus can not be a CYPRIOT patriot, Anyone who fights for Cypriot independence, despite what their cultural and ethnic background may be is a CYPRIOT patriot. It really is that simple.

It does not matter how many Greek patriots there may have been or what % of the total population they may or may not have been, if they fight for the gifting of Cyprus to Greece, then they can not be, by definition, a Cypriot patriot, only a Greek patriot.

In the 1770's American patriots were (in large numbers) British in every sense, legally, culturally, ethnically and in every way. What distinguished them from British patriots was the very fact that they fought for their independence DESPITE their British cultural, ethnic, linguist, religious roots.

The word "patriot" is from the Greek word "πατρίδα" which means 2 things in Greek: (1) The country of birth or origin (2) the village/town or territory of origin. So with Cyprus part of Greece Cypriots can be both "Greek patriots" and "Cypriot patriots" or even "somevillagename patriots"
http://el.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%80%CE ... E%B4%CE%B1

The "Americans" (the British in every sense ones... not the native ones) did what they did out of pure self-interest ... they had just stolen vast amounts of territories and they wanted to keep it all for themselves than sharing the spoils with the Royals in England. Maybe you can find a few more examples like that but those are the EXCEPTION. The RULE is that people in places that share the same language, same religion and same culture WANT to be part of the same country. Otherwise every little island and village would be a separate country. And I emphasize the word WANT here ... because if the native people of a territory WANT to have independence then by all means they should ... so you can have San Marino or Monaco as exceptions but then you have 1000s of other big and small Italian and French towns which don't want to be a state on their own and nobody should force them to be.

You see what I mean?

You guys learn this rubbish at Primary School and stick with it.

There comes a time when a young country actually matures and wants nothing to do with any mammas and forge their own identity rather than piggy back another.

Not when that country was formed by force against the will of the native people. Some decades ago there was a country called "German Democratic Republic" which was formed by foreigners, not by the will of its people. Naturally they eventually united (enosis) with the rest of the Germans.

[Get Real!]

Some decades ago there was a country called "German Democratic Republic" which was formed by foreigners, not by the will of its people. Naturally they eventually united (enosis) with the rest of the Germans.

The two former Germanys were a single country and contiguous territory whereas your treasonous stooges aimed to gift Cyprus to a country 500 miles away!

Yesterday it was cocaine and today you’re taking hashish... but I like the purity!

[erolz66]

Not when that country was formed by force against the will of the native people. Some decades ago there was a country called "German Democratic Republic" which was formed by foreigners, not by the will of its people. Naturally they eventually united (enosis) with the rest of the Germans.

And those East Germans that fought for reunification were by definition GERMAN patriots. They were not both GDR patriots and German patriots, they were just German patriots. Thanks for once again reinforcing and underlining my very point. The very notion that they were GDR patriots is so clearly ridiculous.

[kurupetos]

Some decades ago there was a country called "German Democratic Republic" which was formed by foreigners, not by the will of its people. Naturally they eventually united (enosis) with the rest of the Germans.

The two former Germanys were a single country and contiguous territory whereas your treasonous stooges aimed to gift Cyprus to a country 500 miles away!

Yesterday it was cocaine and today you’re taking hashish... but I like the purity!

Why is distance so important old boy? When Athenian general Kimon sailed to Cyprus with his fleet to free Cyprus from the Persians distance didn't seem to be a problem.

Of course they don't teach you Greek history in ES... but it's not too late to learn...

[kurupetos]

Not when that country was formed by force against the will of the native people. Some decades ago there was a country called "German Democratic Republic" which was formed by foreigners, not by the will of its people. Naturally they eventually united (enosis) with the rest of the Germans.

And those East Germans that fought for reunification were by definition GERMAN patriots. They were not both GDR patriots and German patriots, they were just German patriots. Thanks for once again reinforcing and underlining my very point. The very notion that they were GDR patriots is so clearly ridiculous.

In Cyprus there is nothing to reunify, errorl. Instead the occupied northern part of Cyprus needs to be liberated.

Therefore what's your point?

[erolz66]

Not when that country was formed by force against the will of the native people. Some decades ago there was a country called "German Democratic Republic" which was formed by foreigners, not by the will of its people. Naturally they eventually united (enosis) with the rest of the Germans.

And those East Germans that fought for reunification were by definition GERMAN patriots. They were not both GDR patriots and German patriots, they were just German patriots. Thanks for once again reinforcing and underlining my very point. The very notion that they were GDR patriots is so clearly ridiculous.

In Cyprus there is nothing to reunify, errorl. Instead the occupied northern part of Cyprus needs to be liberated.

Therefore what's your point?

My point is the same one I have been making for the last 3 pages of this thread. Its very simple and straight forward.

Anyone who fights for uniting Cyprus with Greece, is by definition a GREEK patriot and thus can not be a CYPRIOT patriot. Anyone who fights for uniting Cyprus with Turkey is a Turkish patriot and thus can not be a CYPRIOT patriot, Anyone who fights for Cypriot independence, despite what their cultural and ethnic background may be is a CYPRIOT patriot. It really is that simple.

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What is of slight interest is the lengths some will go to try and deny this simple truth and of more interest , why they are seemingly compelled to go to such lengths - like changing the definition of 'patriot' from one that is in every dictionary definition to a definition that exists in no dictionary at all, and giving comparisons that actually destroy their own argument like 'those Germans in East Germany under the GDR who wanted reunification of Germany and an end to the GDR were in fact GDR patriots'.