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[Sotos]

Erolz, we Greeks created the word long time ago and it means what we decided it means . You don't get to tell us what a word that we created means. I will repeat again that the word "Patriot" is derived from the word "patrida", which can be defined as a country or region or even a single village. If you want to ignore the full meaning of the word and stick to just the one line of English dictionary definition then NO English dictionary defines patriot as the one who "desires a new country" or the one who "creates a new country". If you don't like this fact then go argue with those who wrote your English dictionaries. I couldn't care less because I will use the real full Greek meaning of the word anyways.

And by the way... who are those Cypriots who desired Cyprus to become a country? The native Cypriots are Greek and what they desired is what every Greek desired which is a united Greek state that includes all Greek territories. The non-native Turkish Cypriots desired ethnic cleansing and land grab so they can have partition. So who are those who desired Cyprus to be a country?

[Get Real!]

The native Cypriots are Greek and...

At which year did Cypriots become “Greek”?

Why don’t you explain it to us?

[Sotos]

The native Cypriots are Greek and...

At which year did Cypriots become “Greek”?

Why don’t you explain it to us?

I don't think I can explain anything to somebody that believes that there is "No such thing as “Greek ethnicity”" and that "Helen of Troy" was Turkish Sorry, but I have no specialty in teaching retards.

[Get Real!]

I will repeat again that the word "Patriot" is derived from the word "patrida", which can be defined as a country or region or even a single village.

Unfortunately you fucked up in both Greek and English because the word Patriot comes from “Patrios” which means father not from “Patrida”!

[Get Real!]

The native Cypriots are Greek and...

At which year did Cypriots become “Greek”?

Why don’t you explain it to us?

I don't think I can explain anything to somebody that believes that there is "No such thing as “Greek ethnicity”" and that "Helen of Troy" was Turkish Sorry, but I have no specialty in teaching retards.

You couldn't explain anything in a million years (be it in Greek or English) because you're just an average schmuck who can't think for himself so all you can do is follow orders.

Let’s face it… they could’ve talked about Chinese ancient ancestors falling out the sky and landing in Nicosia and people like you would’ve BOUGHT IT no questions asked!

Am I right or am I wrong?

[erolz66]

Erolz, we Greeks created the word long time ago and it means what we decided it means .

You sound just like the fictional father character in the movie 'My big fat Greek wedding", except in his case his Greek 'peculiarities' were amusing and in your case they are just sad.

You don't get to tell us what a word that we created means.

I do not get to tell you what the Greek word it is derived from means. I do not even get to tell you what the English word means. The various English dictionaries DO get to tell you what the English word means because that is their purpose and function. If you have a problem with that I suggest you get in touch with the publishers of said dictionaries directly

I will repeat again that the word "Patriot" is derived from the word "patrida", which can be defined as a country or region or even a single village. If you want to ignore the full meaning of the word and stick to just the one line of English dictionary definition....

That there can even be any argument that the way to settle a dispute between us over the meaning of an English word is to refer to English dictionaries just shows the depths of the madness you have dragged us into. Yes I want to 'ignore' the meaning of the Greek word that the English word patriot is derived from, because I am talking about the English word patriot and I am not talking about some other word in another language that may have been one of the roots that the current English word is derived from. Yes in a dispute between us about what is the meaning of an English word , I would actually like to stick to the dictionary definition of that word. Is that OK with you ?

Just as an aside, Pork is derived from a pig, but it is not the pig who gets to decide what it is made into or what it will be sold as or at what price

....then NO English dictionary defines patriot as the one who "desires a new country" or the one who "creates a new country".

Are you really this obtuse Sotos ? No the dictionary definitions of the English word patriot do not define it as meaning "someone who desires a new country" because that is not what the word means. What they do define the word as meaning is someone who hold a certain kind of relationship to something. The 'something' a patriot holds this relationship to is, in English, a country. There is the 'nature' of the relationship, which does vary with interpretation and there is the object of the relationship which is always country, as the word is defined. In English the 'something', the object of the relationship, is always and only 'country'. That the country can be one that exists today, or one that used to exist in the past but no longer does now or one that is yet to exist, is so obvious that there is no need to explicitly define each of these 'notions' of country individually and explicitly in the dictionary definition and thus no such definitions do so but it is always the case that the relationship is between the subject and a notion of country - real , past or yet to be and never a notion of locality, ethnicity or of a pig for that matter. Always country.

Even if we accept the absurd argument that 'country' as used in the dictionary definitions of patriot can ONLY mean an existing country and not a 'notion of country' and even ignoring the absurd consequence of that in terms of then not being able to accurately describe American patriots as American patriots until after the war of independence was won and not before, even ignoring all that you are STILL left with the fact even then you can not say someone who strived for the union of Cyprus with Greece before 1960 was a Cypriot patriot.

If you don't like this fact then go argue with those who wrote your English dictionaries.

I have no argument with the people who wrote / published the English dictionaries. Their definition is clear and easily understood as far as I am concerned. You are the one that seems to have a problem with it, not me.

I couldn't care less because I will use the real full Greek meaning of the word anyways.

Of course you will say the English word patriot but use a meaning that is not the dictionary defined meaning of that English word but instead use a meaning from a different word in a different language that may have been one of the roots of the current English word. Of course you will do this because it is clear you would do almost anything rather than have to accept the simple statement in English that someone who strives to make Cyprus part of Greece can not be said to be a Cypriot patriot. That has always been my point.

And by the way... who are those Cypriots who desired Cyprus to become a country? The native Cypriots are Greek and what they desired is what every Greek desired which is a united Greek state that includes all Greek territories. The non-native Turkish Cypriots desired ethnic cleansing and land grab so they can have partition. So who are those who desired Cyprus to be a country?

Are you REALLY going to try and argue that not a SINGLE GC , either leading up to 1960 or today, desired or desires an independent Cypriot nation, state and country ?

[Sotos]

in English that someone who strives to make Cyprus part of Greece can not be said to be a Cypriot patriot.

In English you need to have a country in order to have a patriot of that country. The English dictionary definition is very clear. But Cyprus is a Greek island, not an English island. And therefore on this island we go with the original Greek definition which means that Cypriot patriots can also be Greek patriots and without the need of having a country first. I will continue using the PROPER Greek meaning of the word because that is the RIGHT way.

Are you REALLY going to try and argue that not a SINGLE GC , either leading up to 1960 or today, desired or desires an independent Cypriot nation, state and country ?

We made a compromise for this in the late 50s. Before that there was no statistically significant amount of Cypriots that wanted Cyprus to be "independent".... just about everybody knew that any "independence" for Cyprus would not be real and would keep Cypriots isolated from the rest of Greeks and make Cyprus depended on foreign powers something that would not serve the interests of the native Cypriots.

[Get Real!]

But Cyprus is a Greek island, not an English island. And therefore on this island we go with the original Greek definition which means that Cypriot patriots can also be Greek patriots and without the need of having a country first.

And then you woke up and found yourself doing backstroke in your urine puddle!

[GreekIslandGirl]

It's hard to transpose the word patriot from its Greek origins to its poorer meaning in English.

There are dictionaries that tell you the meaning of the word "Large" is "something big". And then when you look up the meaning of the word "Big" it tells you it is "something large".

It might give you a definition, but 'meaning' requires a little more. Knowing Greek will give you a better insight into meaning through historical use.

A dictionary is only as good as those who write it.

[Get Real!]

It's hard to transpose the word patriot from its Greek origins to its poorer meaning in English.

There are dictionaries that tell you the meaning of the word "Large" is "something big". And then when you look up the meaning of the word "Big" it tells you it is "something large".

It might give you a definition, but 'meaning' requires a little more. Knowing Greek will give you a better insight into meaning through historical use.

A dictionary is only as good as those who write it.

Sotos can’t be saved… I’m sure he appreciates you trying but it’s hopeless.