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[Sotos]

So Erolz after claiming that the way you interpret this word is the "universally accepted dictionary definition" you can't find even a single dictionary definition to support your claim? Not only you refuse to learn the original meaning of the word which is the Greek as we use it but you also seem to not even understand the poor English translation that you are using.

[erolz66]

What would Cyprus Forum be without its pedants - very quiet I suppose.

cyprus42504-90.html?hilit=interesting#p796272

All of the above is uninteresting pedantry. What however IS interesting is the lengths you will go to to try and avoid having to accept this very plain and simple truth because of the cognitive dissonance it causes to you.

[erolz66]

So Erolz after claiming that the way you interpret this word is the "universally accepted dictionary definition" you can't find even a single dictionary definition to support your claim?

Are you on drugs ? My assertion is the English word patriot is defined as being to do with a persons relationship with a country. This is supported by every dictionary definition of the word. Every single one that I have been able to find. If you can find one that does not please do let me know.

YOU were the one who claimed that it could be applied to not just a persons relationship to a country but also to a persons relationship to a region or locality, despite the fact that not a single dictionary definition of the word supports this claim.

YOU were the one who claimed that it applied a persons relationship to 'ethnicity', despite the fact that not a single dictionary definition of the word supports this claim.

You also claimed that dictionaries that define it as a person relationship to a country could not possibly include a country that does not yet exist but is the desire of the subject to exist, unless said dictionaries explicitly stated not just 'country' but 'country that already exists' and 'country that does not yet exist but that the subject desires to exist'. A simply absurd notion that just shows your desperation as far as I am concerned.

So once more because obviously you are finding this difficult.

Every dictionary definition of the word patriot defines it in terms of a subjects relationship to a country. Thus it is simply impossible using such a definition for someone who seeks to make Cyprus part of Greece to be said to be a Cypriot patriot BECAUSE the dictionary definition of patriot relates to COUNTRY and only to COUNTRY. What they can be said to be is a Greek Patriot. You simply can not get round this without changing the definition of the word patriot found in every dictionary entry for the word patriot. Yet you CONTINUE to try and 'get round it' for no other reason that it pains you to accept that someone struggling to join Cyprus to Greece can not be called a Cypriot patriot but can only be called a Greek Patriot, if you use the dictionary defined meaning of the word patriot.

[Get Real!]

So Erolz after claiming that the way you interpret this word is the "universally accepted dictionary definition" you can't find even a single dictionary definition to support your claim? Not only you refuse to learn the original meaning of the word which is the Greek as we use it but you also seem to not even understand the poor English translation that you are using.

All links seem to support Erol's definition... not that I needed to look it up!

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/de ... sh/patriot
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/patriot
http://www.yourdictionary.com/patriot
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patriot
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/patriot

In Greek “patrios” = father which leads to “fatherland”.

Now let’s get back to more important things like your Mycenaean origins…

[kurupetos]

So Erolz after claiming that the way you interpret this word is the "universally accepted dictionary definition" you can't find even a single dictionary definition to support your claim? Not only you refuse to learn the original meaning of the word which is the Greek as we use it but you also seem to not even understand the poor English translation that you are using.

All links seem to support Erol's definition... not that I needed to look it up!

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/de ... sh/patriot
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/patriot
http://www.yourdictionary.com/patriot
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/patriot
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/patriot

In Greek “patrios” = father which leads to “fatherland”.

Now let’s get back to more important things like your Mycenaean origins…

Bravo re mavrolaomene... you are a bit slow but you are learning...

[Sotos]

My assertion is the English word patriot is defined as being to do with a persons relationship with a country.

Yes, and before 1960 there was no Cyprus country, so there could not be a "Cypriot Patriot" according to the English definition. Sorry mate, but if you want to go strictly by the English dictionary then that is how it is.

YOU were the one who claimed that it could be applied to not just a persons relationship to a country but also to a persons relationship to a region or locality, despite the fact that not a single dictionary definition of the word supports this claim.

I did: http://el.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CF%80%CE ... E%B4%CE%B1 If the English wanted this word to be exclusively for a country they should have named them "Countriots", not "Patriots"... then maybe you wouldn't be so confused. Because "Patriot" is from the word "patrida", which means a lot more than just "country".

Here is a translation from the Greek wikipedia:
http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A0%CE% ... E%B4%CE%B1

Padrida: The country in which a person was born or from which he and his family originates or village or region of birth or origin.

Patrida is where people with the same customs, the same language, common history and the same interests are coming from.

"Patrida" is something that can exist without a country and this is why in Greek somebody can be a "Cypriot Patriot" even when there is no "Cypriot country". But if you want to reject the real full Greek meaning of the word and go with the crippled English dictionary definition then by definition of apparently ALL English dictionaries there needs to be a country for a patriot of to exist. It seems to me that most people would choose the original full meaning of the word and not the crippled English dictionary definition because they would understand that patriot is coming from the word "patrida", not the word "country". But if you want to go with the English dictionary then stick to what it actually says and don't try to add meaning to suit your argument.

[repulsewarrior]

Patriot: to be willing to defend the ground under ones feet; where there is a Custom, against its plunder.

[Get Real!]

Yes, and before 1960 there was no Cyprus country, so there could not be a "Cypriot Patriot" according to the English definition. Sorry mate, but if you want to go strictly by the English dictionary then that is how it is.

Cyprus, being an island doesn’t need to be a member of any man-made clubs to be a country.

It’s a NATURALY DEFINED territory that cannot be modified and it thus retains its unique identity forever.

There has never been a question about the location of Cyprus at any stage of mankind’s existence for Cyprus has never moved or changed in shape ever since it was first discovered.

Greece is another story… a volatile man-made border that had gone through many changes over the centuries and may cease to exist without notice.

Cypriots existed long before anything “Greek” appeared on the horizon and Cypriots will continue to exist long after the last Greek has ceased to exist… for this you can be certain!

Now tell us about your Mycenaean connections… <- That’s what I’m really interested in!

[Get Real!]

The 2.5 thousand year old Bible speaks of Cyprus on multiple occasions and recognizes its existence by making reference to some of its people by NAME… Varnavas, Mnason, and others with lines like:.

“Mnason, a man of Cyprus…”

So there’s not a doubt about Cyprus always being an ENTITY, but you won’t find any reference to a “Greece” or a "Turkey", as they DID NOT exist!

We need to appreciate the difference between man-made volatile temporary borders passing through time, and naturally occurring geological borders that are forever.

[erolz66]

My assertion is the English word patriot is defined as being to do with a persons relationship with a country.

Yes, and before 1960 there was no Cyprus country, so there could not be a "Cypriot Patriot" according to the English definition. Sorry mate, but if you want to go strictly by the English dictionary then that is how it is.

No before 1960 there was no country of Cyprus but there WERE Cypriots who DESIRED it to become a Country and they were by definition Cypriot patriots, BECAUSE they desired it to become a country.

If you are going to make up what a word means to suit your own needs then sure patriot can mean anything you like. If you are going accept the dictionary definition of the word then it is simply impossible to say someone who sought to make Cyprus part of Greece was a Cypriot patriot because they desired Cyprus to not be a country.

You STILL have not even begun to think about why you NEED to deny the above , have you Sotos ?