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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:36 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:German journalist Juergen Todenhoefer has recently visited DAESH-controlled Mosul and his reports do not make happy reading for those who wish to see these cut throats defeated. He says that DAESH appears to be confident and well in control of the city, and is attracting a steady stream of new supporters. I believe that this movement poses a grave threat to the West and more must be done to defeat it.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/22/world ... denhoefer/


It's just going to take time Tim. Major urban areas like Mosul are a little difficult at these early stages.

The focus at the moment is to degrade their military capability.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:44 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:German journalist Juergen Todenhoefer has recently visited DAESH-controlled Mosul and his reports do not make happy reading for those who wish to see these cut throats defeated. He says that DAESH appears to be confident and well in control of the city, and is attracting a steady stream of new supporters. I believe that this movement poses a grave threat to the West and more must be done to defeat it.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/22/world ... denhoefer/


It's just going to take time Tim. Major urban areas like Mosul are a little difficult at these early stages.

The focus at the moment is to degrade their military capability.


I only hope you are right. There is no room for complacency as far as DAESH goes and it seems to me that as time passes they are consolidating their hold on the territory they have taken.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:49 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:German journalist Juergen Todenhoefer has recently visited DAESH-controlled Mosul and his reports do not make happy reading for those who wish to see these cut throats defeated. He says that DAESH appears to be confident and well in control of the city, and is attracting a steady stream of new supporters. I believe that this movement poses a grave threat to the West and more must be done to defeat it.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/22/world ... denhoefer/


It's just going to take time Tim. Major urban areas like Mosul are a little difficult at these early stages.

The focus at the moment is to degrade their military capability.


I only hope you are right. There is no room for complacency as far as DAESH goes and it seems to me that as time passes they are consolidating their hold on the territory they have taken.


No complacency Tim.

The world's best air forces are there flying day and night. Hundreds of aircraft from all over the world.

Mosul's time will come.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:07 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:German journalist Juergen Todenhoefer has recently visited DAESH-controlled Mosul and his reports do not make happy reading for those who wish to see these cut throats defeated. He says that DAESH appears to be confident and well in control of the city, and is attracting a steady stream of new supporters. I believe that this movement poses a grave threat to the West and more must be done to defeat it.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/22/world ... denhoefer/


It's just going to take time Tim. Major urban areas like Mosul are a little difficult at these early stages.

The focus at the moment is to degrade their military capability.


I only hope you are right. There is no room for complacency as far as DAESH goes and it seems to me that as time passes they are consolidating their hold on the territory they have taken.


No complacency Tim.

The world's best air forces are there flying day and night. Hundreds of aircraft from all over the world.

Mosul's time will come.


Some people are saying that a response from the air is not the right tactic.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:23 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:German journalist Juergen Todenhoefer has recently visited DAESH-controlled Mosul and his reports do not make happy reading for those who wish to see these cut throats defeated. He says that DAESH appears to be confident and well in control of the city, and is attracting a steady stream of new supporters. I believe that this movement poses a grave threat to the West and more must be done to defeat it.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/22/world ... denhoefer/


It's just going to take time Tim. Major urban areas like Mosul are a little difficult at these early stages.

The focus at the moment is to degrade their military capability.


I only hope you are right. There is no room for complacency as far as DAESH goes and it seems to me that as time passes they are consolidating their hold on the territory they have taken.


No complacency Tim.

The world's best air forces are there flying day and night. Hundreds of aircraft from all over the world.

Mosul's time will come.


Some people are saying that a response from the air is not the right tactic.


It's the only option open to us at the moment.

But it is true that an air campaign will be long and protracted. A comprehensive defeat will occur on the ground. Therefore, we either require the ISF and Peshmerga to do our bidding on the ground with the help of a few allied special ops troops or send in our own ground forces.

Obama is unwilling to do that, but when the Republicans are in office then who knows.

A coalition force probably would have ended this by now. It is far too difficult hitting DAESH in Mosul.

The way I see it is that the U.S. will never allow itself to be defeated by DAESH and I certainly believe that the coalition will never allow DAESH to form a dejure caliphate.

The air campaign prevents DAESH from making further gains. In fact, they have had to retreat from certain villages and towns so they have actually lost some territory and strategic points as well as their ability to refine Oil and Gas. Their infrastructure is being destroyed. Roads, bridges and check points are being destroyed. Their heavy armaments are being destroyed. Their military capabilities are gradually being degraded. They are losing hundreds of men. With that comes a loss of morale and belief. Foreign fighters are fleeing their positions. 100 were recently executed in Raqqa.

We just got to keep going and continue the campaign. We can arm and train the Iraqis and Kurds.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:18 pm

Paphitis wrote:
It's the only option open to us at the moment.

But it is true that an air campaign will be long and protracted. A comprehensive defeat will occur on the ground. Therefore, we either require the ISF and Peshmerga to do our bidding on the ground with the help of a few allied special ops troops or send in our own ground forces.

Obama is unwilling to do that, but when the Republicans are in office then who knows.

A coalition force probably would have ended this by now. It is far too difficult hitting DAESH in Mosul.

The way I see it is that the U.S. will never allow itself to be defeated by DAESH and I certainly believe that the coalition will never allow DAESH to form a dejure caliphate.

The air campaign prevents DAESH from making further gains. In fact, they have had to retreat from certain villages and towns so they have actually lost some territory and strategic points as well as their ability to refine Oil and Gas. Their infrastructure is being destroyed. Roads, bridges and check points are being destroyed. Their heavy armaments are being destroyed. Their military capabilities are gradually being degraded. They are losing hundreds of men. With that comes a loss of morale and belief. Foreign fighters are fleeing their positions. 100 were recently executed in Raqqa.

We just got to keep going and continue the campaign. We can arm and train the Iraqis and Kurds.


The truth is that, as far as the territory taken by DAESH in Iraq goes, it is ultimately the Iraqi armed forces' job to repel these invaders from their territory.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:57 pm

Juergen Todenhoefer is about to appear on a BBC World Service programme starting in about three minutes.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Cap » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:40 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-30585783


A German author given rare access to territory run by Islamic State has told the BBC that the group is stronger, more brutal and harder to confront than he had expected.


In other words..more Muslim suffering, more Muslims die horrible deaths.
Sad really.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:42 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
It's the only option open to us at the moment.

But it is true that an air campaign will be long and protracted. A comprehensive defeat will occur on the ground. Therefore, we either require the ISF and Peshmerga to do our bidding on the ground with the help of a few allied special ops troops or send in our own ground forces.

Obama is unwilling to do that, but when the Republicans are in office then who knows.

A coalition force probably would have ended this by now. It is far too difficult hitting DAESH in Mosul.

The way I see it is that the U.S. will never allow itself to be defeated by DAESH and I certainly believe that the coalition will never allow DAESH to form a dejure caliphate.

The air campaign prevents DAESH from making further gains. In fact, they have had to retreat from certain villages and towns so they have actually lost some territory and strategic points as well as their ability to refine Oil and Gas. Their infrastructure is being destroyed. Roads, bridges and check points are being destroyed. Their heavy armaments are being destroyed. Their military capabilities are gradually being degraded. They are losing hundreds of men. With that comes a loss of morale and belief. Foreign fighters are fleeing their positions. 100 were recently executed in Raqqa.

We just got to keep going and continue the campaign. We can arm and train the Iraqis and Kurds.


The truth is that, as far as the territory taken by DAESH in Iraq goes, it is ultimately the Iraqi armed forces' job to repel these invaders from their territory.


It's very true Tim.

But at the same time, the Coalition will not wait 10 years for them to do that.
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