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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Oceanside50 » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:21 am

This lady made some very good points in her rebuttal to the Islamic lady's question. All the instances of mass killings that she cited could of been much worse if the aggressors had nuclear weapons. WouldHitler have hesitated to use nuclear weapons when he saw the end of Germany coming? The technology for nuclear weapons is almost 80 years old. A swede was arrested not too long ago for building a nuclear reactor in his bathtub. The extreme danger from these radicals is that they could build and use nukes today against targets in the west...
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Lordo » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:58 am

Oceanside50 wrote:This lady made some very good points in her rebuttal to the Islamic lady's question. All the instances of mass killings that she cited could of been much worse if the aggressors had nuclear weapons. WouldHitler have hesitated to use nuclear weapons when he saw the end of Germany coming? The technology for nuclear weapons is almost 80 years old. A swede was arrested not too long ago for building a nuclear reactor in his bathtub. The extreme danger from these radicals is that they could build and use nukes today against targets in the west...

really and the americans would and did not.
get out of other peoples country.
stop oppressing them.
stop sucking their blood.
stop stealing their resources on the cheap.
stop empowering maniac dictators in their country.

and trust me they will leave you alone.

in the mean time god help you if they get hold of a nuclear weapon. then you will understand what you have done wrong.
the thick lady made a claim there are 300 million radicals. its information straight out of her cakehole and anybody elses who believe a single world of what this witch or any other say.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:01 pm

Lordo wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:This lady made some very good points in her rebuttal to the Islamic lady's question. All the instances of mass killings that she cited could of been much worse if the aggressors had nuclear weapons. WouldHitler have hesitated to use nuclear weapons when he saw the end of Germany coming? The technology for nuclear weapons is almost 80 years old. A swede was arrested not too long ago for building a nuclear reactor in his bathtub. The extreme danger from these radicals is that they could build and use nukes today against targets in the west...

really and the americans would and did not.
get out of other peoples country.
stop oppressing them.
stop sucking their blood.
stop stealing their resources on the cheap.
stop empowering maniac dictators in their country.

and trust me they will leave you alone.

in the mean time god help you if they get hold of a nuclear weapon. then you will understand what you have done wrong.
the thick lady made a claim there are 300 million radicals. its information straight out of her cakehole and anybody elses who believe a single world of what this witch or any other say.


No the Americans have done none of this and the countries that have financed and supported this ideologically driven nonsense are the very countries that have enjoyed decades of American support and trade - the very same countries that the US considers its allies.

But the target was never the Americans to begin with but Iran and Syria. We got involved when we realized that there are hundreds of our citizens that believe it is acceptable to travel to places like Syria and Iraq, and chop people's heads off and parade them on Twitter, or kill thousands because they are SHIA or Sufi, commit genocide against Kurds, Yazidis and Turkmen, or sell Christian Women into slavery and rape them. That is where this conflict defied borders because if there are individuals driven by this sick and perverted barbarism then we too are not safe. Therefore, we have a right to attack them but even more than this there is a moral obligation in trying to put an end to them.

Secondly, none of what you say addresses the real problem which is ideologically driven. They don't hate the West but hate our liberal societies and ways. To these fundamentalists, we are the non believers, which according to their interpretation warrants killing. The latest terrorist attack was in Canada.

It is obvious that there are hundreds if not thousands of lone wolfs that live in our countries but hate those very nations. We are looking at a war of civilizations.

I am not being alarmist, just being accepting of this reality. We have no choice but to fight them wherever they are and to not let them change our Western way of life and freedoms because that is exactly what they want to achieve.

Their so called cutthroat struggle is according to them, written in scripture. The Jihad is to form a caliphate which we will never allow. Even if they get close to achieving their objections we will just intensify our bombings and we will arm and train the Iraqis and Kurds to the teeth until they are defeated.

And there are a few of the Jihadists we want alive. We will get them so don't worry about that.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Lordo » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:22 pm

your view of what america does is very interesting. i wonder if tim agrees with your views or any other bugger for that matter except of course the usual rif raf.
just like in vietnam, till you run for cover and ditched all the equipment into the sea.

by bombing them you are recruiting moer muslims for the cause, but then again i would not accept a low intellect such as yourself to understand. being against the violent people who cut throats is one thing but being against people who wish to set up a muslim country on their land is another matter altogether. make the mistake paint them lll with one brush and you will see the result.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:45 pm

Lordo wrote:your view of what america does is very interesting. i wonder if tim agrees with your views or any other bugger for that matter except of course the usual rif raf.
just like in vietnam, till you run for cover and ditched all the equipment into the sea.

by bombing them you are recruiting moer muslims for the cause, but then again i would not accept a low intellect such as yourself to understand. being against the violent people who cut throats is one thing but being against people who wish to set up a muslim country on their land is another matter altogether. make the mistake paint them lll with one brush and you will see the result.


You keep bringing up Vietnam. Do you really think America was responsible for that? Only according to the Leftists and non mainstream political forces it may be. However, reality and fact is quite another thing in the real world.

France was a very big instigator and South Vietnam was their colony and it had a right to defend itself from North Vietnamese aggression. Also, Russia had its proxy war. You do not mention either. Only America because you are blinded by your anti Americanism.

Other than America, Australia had sent 50,000 troops to Vietnam. Why? Because Russia was coming to our doorstop. It was a Cold War and the stakes were high.

As far as attracting more recruits, we will cut their means if supporting their efforts in doing so. We have already started. So don't be so concerned. We analyze the permutations and outcomes very well. We know what we face. We will just do Allah's work and send them to Paradise. We are willing to keep doing this for a decade if necessary!
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Lordo » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:43 pm

so america was not responsible for dropping more bombs on vietnam then in the whole of the second world war by all sides. you are beyond belief. exactly how stupid are you. has your mother had you tested.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:01 pm

Lordo wrote:so america was not responsible for dropping more bombs on vietnam then in the whole of the second world war by all sides. you are beyond belief. exactly how stupid are you. has your mother had you tested.


You're a bigger idiot than I thought.

Ww2 was from 1939 to 1945. The Bombing campaigns started from 1942 onwards.

Vietnam was from 1964 to 1973 - a nine year bombing campaign.

Further to this, aircraft were far more advance and could carry more tonnage.

Not only this, but much of the bombing was what was called rolling thunder in the jungle, just to send a message to the Viet Cong.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Lordo » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:35 pm

get a life boy, get a life.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:00 am

Lordo wrote:get a life boy, get a life.


Get a brain old boy, get a brain.

Fact is there were many wars from the 60s onwards and instead of realizing how bloody lucky you are to even be alive, all you can do is focus on America.

You are bloody lucky, we all are, because on 2 occasions we very nearly had a WW3 Nuclear holocaust due to the Cold War.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Tim Drayton » Sat Oct 25, 2014 2:12 pm

A 150-person peshmerga unit is due to go to Kobane tomorrow:

http://www.birgun.net/news/view/pesmerg ... diyor/7764

I suspect the criminal AKP regime in Turkey may find a way to block them.
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