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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby kurupetos » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:41 pm

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Paphitis wrote:Do you think the US or anyone else is going to let the cutthroats get their rocks off by cutting a few more?

Yes.


Well no one has ever said that you're very bright.

None that matters. :lol:
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby kurupetos » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:43 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:Do you think the US or anyone else is going to let the cutthroats get their rocks off by cutting a few more?

Yes.


Our Pilots and Flight Crews are an asset. We don't care about losing an aircraft as they are easily replaced but our crews will not end up on an ISIS cutthroat clip.

Right... your Zionist leaders have plenty of money... taken from taxing fools like you! :lol:
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:47 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:DAESH made a big mistake by threatening the West and now they are going to pay for that.


I wish I could be so sure about that mate. They are being defeated on the Kurdish front, but are scoring big successes in the Sunni Arab heartlands of Iraq, and I can seriously see them carving out a state from the Sunni Arab parts of Syria and Iraq. The Iraqi army needs to start living up to its name and the Iraqi government needs to reign in the Shiite militias that are every bit as criminal and genocidal as DAESH, or else Iraq is history.


The problem in my opinion Tim is that Iraq is a broken country and the U.S. is responsible for that. Then we helped endorse a leader that only represented in a sectarian manner. The countries institutions and systems were destroyed, so you can imagine the mindset among Service Personnel. Why would they fight when there is nothing to fight for?

Compare that to the Kurds. They would fight for their autonomous area and for them there is no surrender. DAESH will have to walk over their corpses and that makes them hard to beat. Kurdish Women have leadership roles alongside the men. You got to respect their tenacity and zeal. Imagine if the RoC introduced compulsory service for our women! Do they have this kind of passion? Will they accept this responsibility like Kurdish Women? I don't believe they would. They are far too precious.

It's just going to take time to build the Iraqis up and it is their war. They are going to have to spearhead it. We will help them every step of the way. But eventually, they will prevail because we can't afford for them not to.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:52 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Do you think the US or anyone else is going to let the cutthroats get their rocks off by cutting a few more?

Yes.


Our Pilots and Flight Crews are an asset. We don't care about losing an aircraft as they are easily replaced but our crews will not end up on an ISIS cutthroat clip.

Right... your Zionist leaders have plenty of money... taken from taxing fools like you! :lol:


Our Flight Crews are priceless.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:19 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:DAESH made a big mistake by threatening the West and now they are going to pay for that.


I wish I could be so sure about that mate. They are being defeated on the Kurdish front, but are scoring big successes in the Sunni Arab heartlands of Iraq, and I can seriously see them carving out a state from the Sunni Arab parts of Syria and Iraq. The Iraqi army needs to start living up to its name and the Iraqi government needs to reign in the Shiite militias that are every bit as criminal and genocidal as DAESH, or else Iraq is history.


The problem in my opinion Tim is that Iraq is a broken country and the U.S. is responsible for that. Then we helped endorse a leader that only represented in a sectarian manner. The countries institutions and systems were destroyed, so you can imagine the mindset among Service Personnel. Why would they fight when there is nothing to fight for?

Compare that to the Kurds. They would fight for their autonomous area and for them there is no surrender. DAESH will have to walk over their corpses and that makes them hard to beat. Kurdish Women have leadership roles alongside the men. You got to respect their tenacity and zeal. Imagine if the RoC introduced compulsory service for our women! Do they have this kind of passion? Will they accept this responsibility like Kurdish Women? I don't believe they would. They are far too precious.

It's just going to take time to build the Iraqis up and it is their war. They are going to have to spearhead it. We will help them every step of the way. But eventually, they will prevail because we can't afford for them not to.


I don't think time is a luxury that exists. The sad thing is that, on paper, the Iraqi army in terms of both manpower and equipment far outweighs DAESH and should easily be able to crush them. It is trying, without much success, to retake Tikrit at the moment and the Sunni population of that town are living in fear that if it does they will be slaughtered by the Shiite militias and some Sunnis are even trying to take refuge in the one place they feel safe - the Kurdish region of Iraq - and those that stay see DAESH as their protector. What a mess. I think we are going to see the emergence of a Kurdish state, a Sunni state consisting of the Sunni parts of Syria and Iraq, initially a strict Saudi or Iranian-style Islamic state that will hopefully moderate over time in the way that Iran is starting to do, and rump Alawite and Shiite Syrian and Iranian states. On the other hand, DAESH is continuing to launch all-out assaults on Kurdish territory and this could be their downfall - tactically, the best thing they can do just now is broker a cease-fire with the Kurds and consolidate their control over Sunni Arab territory. They may not be sophisticated enough to see this, though.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:51 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:DAESH made a big mistake by threatening the West and now they are going to pay for that.


I wish I could be so sure about that mate. They are being defeated on the Kurdish front, but are scoring big successes in the Sunni Arab heartlands of Iraq, and I can seriously see them carving out a state from the Sunni Arab parts of Syria and Iraq. The Iraqi army needs to start living up to its name and the Iraqi government needs to reign in the Shiite militias that are every bit as criminal and genocidal as DAESH, or else Iraq is history.


The problem in my opinion Tim is that Iraq is a broken country and the U.S. is responsible for that. Then we helped endorse a leader that only represented in a sectarian manner. The countries institutions and systems were destroyed, so you can imagine the mindset among Service Personnel. Why would they fight when there is nothing to fight for?

Compare that to the Kurds. They would fight for their autonomous area and for them there is no surrender. DAESH will have to walk over their corpses and that makes them hard to beat. Kurdish Women have leadership roles alongside the men. You got to respect their tenacity and zeal. Imagine if the RoC introduced compulsory service for our women! Do they have this kind of passion? Will they accept this responsibility like Kurdish Women? I don't believe they would. They are far too precious.

It's just going to take time to build the Iraqis up and it is their war. They are going to have to spearhead it. We will help them every step of the way. But eventually, they will prevail because we can't afford for them not to.


I don't think time is a luxury that exists. The sad thing is that, on paper, the Iraqi army in terms of both manpower and equipment far outweighs DAESH and should easily be able to crush them. It is trying, without much success, to retake Tikrit at the moment and the Sunni population of that town are living in fear that if it does they will be slaughtered by the Shiite militias and some Sunnis are even trying to take refuge in the one place they feel safe - the Kurdish region of Iraq - and those that stay see DAESH as their protector. What a mess. I think we are going to see the emergence of a Kurdish state, a Sunni state consisting of the Sunni parts of Syria and Iraq, initially a strict Saudi or Iranian-style Islamic state that will hopefully moderate over time in the way that Iran is starting to do, and rump Alawite and Shiite Syrian and Iranian states. On the other hand, DAESH is continuing to launch all-out assaults on Kurdish territory and this could be their downfall - tactically, the best thing they can do just now is broker a cease-fire with the Kurds and consolidate their control over Sunni Arab territory. They may not be sophisticated enough to see this, though.


As I said Tim, the country is broken. There is no will among the Iraqis because the country does not exist for them.

It's not a quick overnight fix I'm afraid. But the coalition will not let the country fall. That is where the mission creep will come to me play.

The recent focus has been in Kobani. The operations in Iraq have degraded DAESH so it's a case of getting the Iraqis to step up to the plate which will happen eventually.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:18 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:DAESH made a big mistake by threatening the West and now they are going to pay for that.


I wish I could be so sure about that mate. They are being defeated on the Kurdish front, but are scoring big successes in the Sunni Arab heartlands of Iraq, and I can seriously see them carving out a state from the Sunni Arab parts of Syria and Iraq. The Iraqi army needs to start living up to its name and the Iraqi government needs to reign in the Shiite militias that are every bit as criminal and genocidal as DAESH, or else Iraq is history.


The problem in my opinion Tim is that Iraq is a broken country and the U.S. is responsible for that. Then we helped endorse a leader that only represented in a sectarian manner. The countries institutions and systems were destroyed, so you can imagine the mindset among Service Personnel. Why would they fight when there is nothing to fight for?

Compare that to the Kurds. They would fight for their autonomous area and for them there is no surrender. DAESH will have to walk over their corpses and that makes them hard to beat. Kurdish Women have leadership roles alongside the men. You got to respect their tenacity and zeal. Imagine if the RoC introduced compulsory service for our women! Do they have this kind of passion? Will they accept this responsibility like Kurdish Women? I don't believe they would. They are far too precious.

It's just going to take time to build the Iraqis up and it is their war. They are going to have to spearhead it. We will help them every step of the way. But eventually, they will prevail because we can't afford for them not to.


I don't think time is a luxury that exists. The sad thing is that, on paper, the Iraqi army in terms of both manpower and equipment far outweighs DAESH and should easily be able to crush them. It is trying, without much success, to retake Tikrit at the moment and the Sunni population of that town are living in fear that if it does they will be slaughtered by the Shiite militias and some Sunnis are even trying to take refuge in the one place they feel safe - the Kurdish region of Iraq - and those that stay see DAESH as their protector. What a mess. I think we are going to see the emergence of a Kurdish state, a Sunni state consisting of the Sunni parts of Syria and Iraq, initially a strict Saudi or Iranian-style Islamic state that will hopefully moderate over time in the way that Iran is starting to do, and rump Alawite and Shiite Syrian and Iranian states. On the other hand, DAESH is continuing to launch all-out assaults on Kurdish territory and this could be their downfall - tactically, the best thing they can do just now is broker a cease-fire with the Kurds and consolidate their control over Sunni Arab territory. They may not be sophisticated enough to see this, though.


As I said Tim, the country is broken. There is no will among the Iraqis because the country does not exist for them.

It's not a quick overnight fix I'm afraid. But the coalition will not let the country fall. That is where the mission creep will come to me play.

The recent focus has been in Kobani. The operations in Iraq have degraded DAESH so it's a case of getting the Iraqis to step up to the plate which will happen eventually.


There are those who suspect that the USA's game plan has been to partition Iraq for some time now.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Lordo » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:19 pm

it was not that long ago when saddam was the darling of the west and attacked iran. one million muslims were killed with the blessing of the democracy and piece loving nations of the west. especially for the piece of iran they wanted. the muslims in iran walked into mine fields to blow them up to protect their tanks. the trouble with you boys is you dont have the guts to fight and when you come across somebody who does you are at a loss what to do. you see threat to kill them is no threat. get it.

time will come and history will judge the greed of the west very harshly. your descendants will wonder what the hell were you doing in the middle east as mush as the younger generation of the roman world wondered about their soldier is britain and elsewhere.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:37 pm

Lordo wrote:it was not that long ago when saddam was the darling of the west and attacked iran. one million muslims were killed with the blessing of the democracy and piece loving nations of the west. especially for the piece of iran they wanted. the muslims in iran walked into mine fields to blow them up to protect their tanks. the trouble with you boys is you dont have the guts to fight and when you come across somebody who does you are at a loss what to do. you see threat to kill them is no threat. get it.

time will come and history will judge the greed of the west very harshly. your descendants will wonder what the hell were you doing in the middle east as mush as the younger generation of the roman world wondered about their soldier is britain and elsewhere.


...and yet, what is the dream of these young people who are so much against this mythic reality you call "the West"? seriously, Lordo, what are they offering?
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Wed Oct 22, 2014 4:41 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
There are those who suspect that the USA's game plan has been to partition Iraq for some time now.


At the very most, some support for a Kurdish Nation in Northern Iraq, Syria and Turkey may develop.

The co census is to assist Iraq to establish control, law and order within their borders. At present, there are now 2,500 coalition troops in Iraq. Most of the are Special Forces from the US and Australia.

Their declared mission is to train the ISF and Peshmerga and assist with Tactical Command of all operations.
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