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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:16 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:They should have got the RAAF or RAF to do such intricate operations which involve this kind of precision.

Just give up the stupidity and face reality…

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Face your reality you mean.

These types of operations are dangerous and require a great deal of skill which requires immense training.

The calculations required to achieve a successful air drop are intricate and rely on a number of environmental factors such as the wind and consequent drift. If you drop something from the air, the winds actually carry it which equates to a Ground Speed for the payload.

The C130 faces a couple of dilemmas. One it has to be high enough to be out of range of MANPADS. But the higher it is also results in increasing payload drift. The technology is one thing but controlling the elements is not possible.

What is possible though is sending a few F-18s over to turn the vicinity into glass and roasting anyone in the area. The C130 would be under escort and these aircraft will have the area under surveillance. I guarantee you that most of these weapons would already have been destroyed once they realized they missed their target drop zone.

Usually, the Americans would have their transport aircraft escorted by 2 to 4 F-18s and there would be dozens of other aircraft in the vicinity of only a few minutes away.

You are very naive to think the Americans just send their aircraft in without taking into consideration a number of contingencies. One is the possibility that their arms would fall into enemy hands. Solution = F-18s, F-35s and F-22s.

Another contingency is a downed aircraft. Solution = Super Pumas and Black Hawks with Special Ops Soldiers which will be out to pick up the crew within minutes. Do you think the US or anyone else is going to let the cutthroats get their rocks off by cutting a few more?
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby kurupetos » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:42 am

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:They should have got the RAAF or RAF to do such intricate operations which involve this kind of precision.

Just give up the stupidity and face reality…

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:lol:
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby kurupetos » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:44 am

Paphitis wrote:Do you think the US or anyone else is going to let the cutthroats get their rocks off by cutting a few more?

Yes.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Lordo » Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:04 am

this is the classic mistake that the west has been making for decades. they do not really comprehend what they are doing, consequently ending up with bigger problem then they started with.

lets go back to the beginning. the west carved up the arab lands to suit itself. it put israel there to thrash them when ever they looked as though they were going to object. we now have the awakening of the islamic state growing out of this mess. you have may be 10 or 20 people beheading people and you are putting them all in the same category as 30,000 islamic fighters. before you know it it will be 300,000. the more you hit them the more they will get. you will lose sooner or later just like in vietnam.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby DrCyprus » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:08 pm

Lordo wrote:this is the classic mistake that the west has been making for decades. they do not really comprehend what they are doing, consequently ending up with bigger problem then they started with.

lets go back to the beginning. the west carved up the arab lands to suit itself. it put israel there to thrash them when ever they looked as though they were going to object. we now have the awakening of the islamic state growing out of this mess. you have may be 10 or 20 people beheading people and you are putting them all in the same category as 30,000 islamic fighters. before you know it it will be 300,000. the more you hit them the more they will get. you will lose sooner or later just like in vietnam.


You keep using the word 'you', when Turkey was one of the main backers of this trololol comedy. If there's one country literally shitting their pants right now because of ISIS it's Turkey.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby miltiades » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:55 pm

Lordo wrote:this is the classic mistake that the west has been making for decades. they do not really comprehend what they are doing, consequently ending up with bigger problem then they started with.

lets go back to the beginning. the west carved up the arab lands to suit itself. it put israel there to thrash them when ever they looked as though they were going to object. we now have the awakening of the islamic state growing out of this mess. you have may be 10 or 20 people beheading people and you are putting them all in the same category as 30,000 islamic fighters. before you know it it will be 300,000. the more you hit them the more they will get. you will lose sooner or later just like in vietnam.

The road to Islam's suicide has begun !
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:00 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Paphitis wrote:Do you think the US or anyone else is going to let the cutthroats get their rocks off by cutting a few more?

Yes.


Well no one has ever said that you're very bright.

Our Pilots and Flight Crews are an asset. We don't care about losing an aircraft as they are easily replaced but our crews will not end up on an ISIS cutthroat clip.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Wed Oct 22, 2014 1:04 pm

Lordo wrote:this is the classic mistake that the west has been making for decades. they do not really comprehend what they are doing, consequently ending up with bigger problem then they started with.

lets go back to the beginning. the west carved up the arab lands to suit itself. it put israel there to thrash them when ever they looked as though they were going to object. we now have the awakening of the islamic state growing out of this mess. you have may be 10 or 20 people beheading people and you are putting them all in the same category as 30,000 islamic fighters. before you know it it will be 300,000. the more you hit them the more they will get. you will lose sooner or later just like in vietnam.


This whole thing has nothing to do with Israel! Try Syria and Iran!

You can't blame the West for the rise of a number of militias in Syria. First of all, if Syria actually had a Hovernment that is accountable rather than persecute and rule with an iron fist, then these types of things wouldn't happen.

DAESH made a big mistake by threatening the West and now they are going to pay for that.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:00 pm

Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zubi has announced that the Syrian government has for some time been supplying military and logistic support to the anti-DAESH fighters in Kobane. He also said that Syrian planes had destroyed two of the three aircraft in DAESH’s possession, and they were looking for the third one.

http://www.radikal.com.tr/dunya/samdan_ ... im-1220514
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Oct 22, 2014 2:04 pm

Paphitis wrote:DAESH made a big mistake by threatening the West and now they are going to pay for that.


I wish I could be so sure about that mate. They are being defeated on the Kurdish front, but are scoring big successes in the Sunni Arab heartlands of Iraq, and I can seriously see them carving out a state from the Sunni Arab parts of Syria and Iraq. The Iraqi army needs to start living up to its name and the Iraqi government needs to reign in the Shiite militias that are every bit as criminal and genocidal as DAESH, or else Iraq is history.
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