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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Sat Oct 11, 2014 1:18 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
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Tim Drayton wrote:The following only increases my doubts about the effectiveness of the anti-DAESH alliance’s efforts so far:

Iraqi officials have made an urgent appeal for military help in the western Anbar province, saying the area could fall to Islamic State (IS) militants.

The jihadist group has been attacking the provincial capital Ramadi, and has seized army bases in the area.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29581193


The biggest problem is the fact that Ground Troops are not being deployed aside from a few Special Forces ( about 1000 in total ).

We are relying on the Iraqi Security Forces and Peshmerga. The ISF needs to be supied with heavy weapons but not just that, their units need to be trained pretty much from scratch. Unfortunately, the ISF was in total disarray with soldiers deserting their posts even by the hundreds allowing DAESH to gain the upper hand.

It's going to take time to build the ISF into something that will resemble a capable fighting unit. The Peshmerga however are different. You heard from the YPG commander that there is no surrender and that the enemy will have to walk over their corpses.

Things will happen, it's just a matter of time. I should suspect that it will be much easier in Iraq than in Syria.

The coalition has only been active for 2 months and DAESH have adapted to this so the airstrikes are having an impact and they are degrading their capability.


Agreed, the Iraqi military are hopeless.


No no, not hopeless.

They just need some guidance, training and more weapons.

Their morale is almost broken, but it can be fixed.

It's just not something that will happen overnight.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Tim Drayton » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:00 pm

Kobane Defense Minister Ismet Sheikh Hasan has said that DAESH control 30% of Kobane and very fierce fighting is continuing. This morning DAESH were said to have attacked the centre of the town but were repelled following fierce fighting.

http://www.radikal.com.tr/dunya/isid_ko ... du-1218207
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Tim Drayton » Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:57 pm

The Daily Telegraph has confirmed the above. There still remains hope.

Kurdish fighters thwarted a bid by Islamic State group jihadists to advance into the centre of the battleground Syrian town of Kobane early on Saturday, a monitoring group said.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... obane.html
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:55 am

Will northern Syria become another Northern Cyprus?
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinio ... 93943.html


...this question has come to my mind since the start of the problems in Syria, now more than two years ago; i am glad to know that i'm not alone in my hypothesis, trying to guess what Turkey's motives truly are...
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Lordo » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:20 pm

terkey has taken 2 million refugees in the last few years, do you suppose it was part of her motives. there are some crazy ideas floating about. however she did try to do in iraq what she id in cyprus and the terkmen there did not fall for her plans.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 13, 2014 4:13 am

Lordo wrote:terkey has taken 2 million refugees in the last few years, do you suppose it was part of her motives. there are some crazy ideas floating about. however she did try to do in iraq what she id in cyprus and the terkmen there did not fall for her plans.


Why not let some volunteers back into Kobani to help out? Why just let in the DAESH fanatics?
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:22 am

A fifteen-year-old Yezidi girl who had been sold by DAESH to a Saudi Arabian man for $1000 and managed to escape from him and get to Turkey has spoken of seeing DAESH vermin rape girls aged under five.

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/turk ... etti_.html
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:29 am

Erdoğan and his AKP regime are Islamists; their main goal is the forcible Islamisation of the secular Republic of Turkey. The difference from DAESH is one of tactics and speed. DAESH force people to return to the Middle Ages overnight, the AKP are prepared to do it step by step over 50 years. However, since they have the same ultimate goal, AKP supports DAESH, but at the same time, its place within the Western alliance means that the Turkish regime has to give lip service to being in the anti-DAESH alliance. There is a wider Turkish-Qatari-Saudi plan to see Islamist regimes installed in Syria and Iraq to act as a bulwark against Iranian influence in the region - secular, socialist Rojava stands in the way of this plan. For both of the above reasons, Erdoğan and his AKP regime are happy to sit back and watch genocide take place on their own doorstep.
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Tim Drayton » Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:46 am

In a battle between the Iraqi military and DAESH in Iraq's Anbar province, 115 DAESH vermin were killed.
A group called the Raqqa Revolutionaries has joined in the defence of Kobane, and killed a further 25 of the vermin there, thus helping to hold them back from entering the town and committing genocide.

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/duny ... ruldu.html
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Re: For civilised discussion about Islamic State

Postby Paphitis » Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:51 am

Tim Drayton wrote:In a battle between the Iraqi military and DAESH in Iraq's Anbar province, 115 DAESH vermin were killed.
A group called the Raqqa Revolutionaries has joined in the defence of Kobane, and killed a further 25 of the vermin there, thus helping to hold them back from entering the town and committing genocide.

http://www.cumhuriyet.com.tr/haber/duny ... ruldu.html


I am starting to get a more positive feeling.

Well done to the ISF and YPG.

If Kobani has not fallen by now, then maybe it will never fall. The Kurds can't afford to surrender. They got to keep fighting until martyred. This makes them undefeatable unless they run out of ammunition or something.
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