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by **Demonax** » Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:43 am

Well it's taken the man who drafted the Annan Plan ten years to admit what the Greek Cypriots took a couple of days to realise...

Although Lord Hannay believes many aspects of the Annan Plan would have to form the basis of any future solution, he described the plan’s final version – the one on which the referendum was held – as “unwisely generous” to the Turks.

http://cyprus-mail.com/2014/09/14/a-con ... b-veteran/

by **repulsewarrior** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 1:36 am

...indeed, it is not what is said, but who said it.

as has been not stated enough, the Citizens of Cyprus were expected to live with, and agree to a Plan which in parts were unclear, and in others, unread. having lived through the disastrous result of the Zurich Agreement, something unclear, requiring the good intent of individuals as a whole, not just as Persons, it seemed unlikely, in my mind, to expect the vast majority of any population, never mind the "Greeks" (read: not "Turkish), to support such uncertainty.

what is clear is that not all Greeks, want to be "Greeks" (first), and it is the same for what can be called the Turkish Constituency. Cyprus exists (and let's not forget that in 1960, there was not even an infrastructure of paved roadways island-wide, let alone water works of any size). what is also very clear is that Cypriots by themselves do better with their lives than those who depend on some so-called "motherland".

now in the Modern world, Cyprus as a State shares the same values with the EU, and the rest of the World. Free Movement, Association, and Expression are taken as Universal Principals, where, as Individuals, and as Human Beings, we can identify in this equality, a willingness to defend each other. it does not limit our Freedom, if within these efforts there exists the Liberty of people to be Persons. but, as Persons one cannot expect Freedom denied for "them"; this is the Problem.

...i would like to ask Mr. Hannay, if the Treaty of Lausanne was fair; in my mind, this is what the "Turks" (read: deep state, neo-Ottomans, Islamists) are on about.

...and i don't agree with a weak Federal Government because, as Cypriots, there are standards to be respected, and a Rule of Law to be applied without any form of discrimination or distinction; but i do believe, given the chance, Cypriots can sustain many Constituencies as Cypriots, where in essence, electors as Persons, meet these criteria, are closer to their tax payments, as a choice, and through self-representation, by where they reside recognised as having a Distinct Identity.

by **Lordo** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 3:52 pm

considering the gc establishment was hell bent on enosis at this time, no other agreement would work. considering the gc establishment today it seems complete division is the only choice. if one had half an ounce of intelligence one would not wait 50 years and still be no near a solution.

division is the only answer. there is no other choice.

by **Demonax** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:21 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...indeed, it is not what is said, but who said it.

Yes. This is the only thing in the whole boring self-justifying interview of any interest. He doesn't even have the decency to acknowledge that as the main drafter of the Annan Plan it was his decision to put a pro-Turkish plan to a referendum. At least it kills stone dead the Turkish nonsense that the Annan plan was a balanced UN document.

David Hannay had only one thing in mind with the Annan Plan and that was coming up with a plan that would appease Turkish and British interests on the island. It had nothing to do with what was in the best interests of Cypriots.

by **Jerry** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:19 pm

No doubt most contributors to CF have seen this but for those who may not be aware I'll repeat it. In a nutshell the AP was not in accord with the principles of the UN Charter.

"I consider the Annan plan to be fundamentally flawed. To put it in common language I consider that plan to be a non-starter. It is so incompatible with international law and international human rights norms that it is nothing less than shocking that the organisation would bend to political pressure and political interest on the part of my country of nationality [the USA] and Great Britain, in order to cater for the interests of a NATO partner.... I think it is not salvageable, quite honestly. I think it cannot be saved, and if it were saved I think it would be a major disservice not only to the Cypriot people but a disservice to international law; because everything that we at the UN have tried to build over 60 years, the norms of international law that have emerged in international treaties, in resolutions of the Security Council, would be weakened if not made ridiculous by an arrangement that essentially ignores them, makes them irrelevant or acts completely against the letter and spirit of those treaties and resolutions." Alfred de Zayas, a leading expert in the field of human rights, as well as a former high-ranking United Nations official.

by **Lordo** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:37 pm

cyprus is the only country on earth where an agressor loses the war it started and is allowed to dictate the terms of peace. i wonder if the germans were given such luxury would they have let paris, viena and rome go.

by **Demonax** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:43 pm

Lordo wrote:cyprus is the only country on earth where an agressor loses the war it started and is allowed to dictate the terms of peace. i wonder if the germans were given such luxury would they have let paris, viena and rome go.

Bloody hell, Lordo. Are you sure you haven't had a stroke or something? Your brain seems to have completely stopped working. :shock:

by **Lordo** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:46 pm

Here is the man telling you in clear english. clearly the annan plan needs to be adjusted even papadobillos said that for it to be acceptable. you boys are salivating in the mouth talking about peace plans which do adhere to the 77 agreement. you can talk till the cows come home. it will be patition or bbf. period.

by **Lordo** » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:58 pm

interesting that the gc wants the eu to give security to cyprus. sure i am all in favour, you choose who you want to secure you, you have every right to do that and i am behind you 1000 percent. but dont tell the tcs who can secure them. you know you will get the hand gesture.

by **Demonax** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:05 am

Lordo wrote:interesting that the gc wants the eu to give security to cyprus. sure i am all in favour, you choose who you want to secure you, you have every right to do that and i am behind you 1000 percent. but dont tell the tcs who can secure them. you know you will get the hand gesture.

Lordo, we already know the thing that will secure you..... A straitjacket. :lol: