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by **Viewpoint** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:31 am

Lord Hannay really makes it clear whos to blame....plus Ahmet was not given any time to put forward the TCs viewpoint. The arrogance and brain washed arguement of the GC is a clear indiciaiton of why there can never be a solution in Cyprus. Well done Ahmet you wiped the floor with him.

by **Demonax** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:09 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Lord Hannay really makes it clear whos to blame...

Bad luck, Viewpoint. Hannay is no longer around. He tried his best for Turkey with the Annan Plan. But it didn't come off. He pushed his luck and that opportunity for Turkey was lost.

Cyprus entered the EU as a fully sovereign state and the geopolitics of the area have changed as well. Now there can be no solution without an EU dimension and the ROC is much more confident and assertive about its sovereign rights. Time has moved on since 2004. Time you did as well.

by **Viewpoint** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:15 pm

Demonax wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Lord Hannay really makes it clear whos to blame...

Bad luck, Viewpoint. Hannay is no longer around. He tried his best for Turkey with the Annan Plan. But it didn't come off. He pushed his luck and that opportunity for Turkey was lost.

Cyprus entered the EU as a fully sovereign state and the geopolitics of the area have changed as well. Now there can be no solution without an EU dimension and the ROC is much more confident and assertive about its sovereign rights. Time has moved on since 2004. Time you did as well.

The game changes for everyone not just the GCs, the EU are using you as the sheep you are to block Turkeys EU path and you think they are supporting your version of a solution, if they supported you 100% where are all the embargoes against Turkey? You are unimportant to the EU and the big boys are just using you for their own benefit.

The only game changer that can force anyones hand maybe the water/gas factors, we will see how things develop otherwise Cyprus is divided for as long as we live.

by **Demonax** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:36 pm

Viewpoint wrote:the EU are using you as the sheep you are to block Turkeys EU path

Why doesn't Turkey call the EU's bluff then? A solution on the island will remove Cyprus as an obstacle to Turkish accession. It would mean countries like Germany and France would no longer be able to hide behind Cyprus.

by **Viewpoint** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:05 pm

Demonax wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:the EU are using you as the sheep you are to block Turkeys EU path

Why doesn't Turkey call the EU's bluff then? A solution on the island will remove Cyprus as an obstacle to Turkish accession. It would mean countries like Germany and France would no longer be able to hide behind Cyprus.

Why should they? as I have said and have been proven right Turkey is not an EU country nor does it have to enter the EU, it just has to be seen to want to enter for now.

The EU is just you pawns in a games so they do not have to confront Turkey directly, blames it on the few thousand peasant donkeys and hey presto they are in the clear.

Why should Turkey trust you to unblock the EU path if a solution was found, you have renegged on everything you have signed to date whats to say you will not cry wolf yet again.

by **Demonax** » Wed Sep 17, 2014 4:31 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Demonax wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:the EU are using you as the sheep you are to block Turkeys EU path

Why doesn't Turkey call the EU's bluff then? A solution on the island will remove Cyprus as an obstacle to Turkish accession. It would mean countries like Germany and France would no longer be able to hide behind Cyprus.

Why should they? as I have said and have been proven right Turkey is not an EU country nor does it have to enter the EU, it just has to be seen to want to enter for now.

The EU is just you pawns in a games so they do not have to confront Turkey directly, blames it on the few thousand peasant donkeys and hey presto they are in the clear.

Why should Turkey trust you to unblock the EU path if a solution was found, you have renegged on everything you have signed to date whats to say you will not cry wolf yet again.

So you now think that Turkey is not solving the Cyprus issue in order to keep itself from joining the EU? That's brilliant, VP. :lol:

by **repulsewarrior** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:52 am

...he is saying that Turkey keeps Cypriots starving whether they like it or not. we can see from the social-economy, the north that is occupied by them is worse off.

by **Kikapu** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:22 am

Viewpoint wrote:
Demonax wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:the EU are using you as the sheep you are to block Turkeys EU path

Why doesn't Turkey call the EU's bluff then? A solution on the island will remove Cyprus as an obstacle to Turkish accession. It would mean countries like Germany and France would no longer be able to hide behind Cyprus.

Why should they? as I have said and have been proven right Turkey is not an EU country nor does it have to enter the EU, it just has to be seen to want to enter for now.

The EU is just you pawns in a games so they do not have to confront Turkey directly, blames it on the few thousand peasant donkeys and hey presto they are in the clear.

Why should Turkey trust you to unblock the EU path if a solution was found, you have renegged on everything you have signed to date whats to say you will not cry wolf yet again.

But the Turks think they are Europeans and that Cypriots are not!

What gives?

by **Nikitas** » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:49 am

Lordo being brilliant as usual proposes a dilemma:

"it will be patition or bbf. period."

The difference between the two being...?

I will mention one: under BBF you get to dip into the revenues from the resources of the south, and get an unequal share of the tax budget. None of that under partition. From this perspective partition has certain attractions.

Before posing such earthshaking dilemmas you gotta ask your superiors, do they want partition? A fully independent Greek Cypriot south is a nightmare for them. Read comments by Ecevit, Evren, Yilmaz, Ciller, very educational for a naive TC who is in a time warp.