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[GreekIslandGirl]

I think the muslim girl was a newcomer to Cyprus from the Ottoman domain.

On what evidence do you base your supposition? And, what constituted the "Ottoman domain" in 1955?

[Klik]

@Get Real... get real manamou..

[Klik]

How about the neo-muslims, neo-turks, neo-greeks, neo-cypriots? who were the offspring of poligamic relationships of ottoman men and christian ladies of Cyprus? and the converts...

http://books.google.com.cy/books?id=dsl ... ma&f=false

I don't care about religions etc but I don't know what you think your post proves.

It's a known fact that Greeks did not intermarry with the Ottomans and gave 'Greek' offspring. Their offspring became Ottoman Turk. Which explains why there is a similar DNA between some people in the north and the Republic.
And of course people converted for various reasons. A lot of the Turks of the north are actually Greeks who have converted. In fact, it is estimated that 1/3 of the Turks of mainland Turkey are of Greek heritage that have converted to Islam.... I'm not sure that is an argument over anything. It just shows that an Abrahamic religion has destructed yet another place of the earth.

And doesn't zimmiye mean that the Ottomans had accepted that they were a minority in Cyprus and that they couldn't change the demographics of the island?

[Tim Drayton]

It is also possible that extramarital relations occurred between Muslims and Christians - there were once many mixed villages - and any offspring from such liaisons were simply presumed to be those of the married couple.

[GreekIslandGirl]

It is also possible that extramarital relations occurred between Muslims and Christians - there were once many mixed villages - and any offspring from such liaisons were simply presumed to be those of the married couple.

I'm sure such liaisons took place; rare, but possible. However, there is no credible genetic evidence to back this up as having occurred on any substantial level. Of course, any such children would have gone on to marry people they believed to be their own "kind". So, dilution of any such input would have happened and the child's offspring would be morphed into whichever culture the mother hailed from.

More than ever, it's the cultural practices which separate people as one (Greek) moves further towards more democracy, freedom and rights for the individual and the other (Ottoman/Turk) is stuck in an imperial past that makes it expect too much for free.

[Tim Drayton]

You seem to be putting the cart before the horse. The evidence is that Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots are very similar genetically. This begs the question as to the reason, given that Ottoman society was strictly divided on a religious basis. In addition to to the reasons suggested above by Klik, I was suggesting another plausible possible factor.

[insan]

It is also possible that extramarital relations occurred between Muslims and Christians - there were once many mixed villages - and any offspring from such liaisons were simply presumed to be those of the married couple.

You are right Tim... I've heard some stories about it...

[insan]

You seem to be putting the cart before the horse. The evidence is that Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots are very similar genetically. This begs the question as to the reason, given that Ottoman society was strictly divided on a religious basis. In addition to to the reasons suggested above by Klik, I was suggesting another plausible possible factor.

Not only we have very similar genetics but our physical looks and behavioural features are also very similar... All of these prove that we inter-mingled for various reasons unti the winds of nationalism arrived to Cyprus...

@Klik - We the Turks or if u like say Turkics; intemingled with at least half of the world's(not only Greeks, actually Grekophones who intermingled with the peoples of Balkans) indigenous and historical peoples for hundreds of years during the territorial expansion of our ancestors from central asia to far east, middle east, africa and europe... even to siberia... both before and after islam... polygami tradition hugely contributed the Turkification of the masses and new generations... Should i feel embarassed for whta my ancestors had done? No.... i know that human beings have been waring and trying to establish domination on each other for this or that reason but essentially to be on top of everything and safe, since the stone age... The strongest one won; the most stable ruling and governing systems maintained their existence for the longest time...

Conclusion: These are all historical facts and being a descendant of the worlds most waring, expanding nations is not something to be ashamed of or something to be treated contemptuosly in present day world by some of the irrational, ultra-nationalist; extremist people of other nations... so, using deragotary remarks everything about Turks, can only contribute to more seperation instead of unification under any form...

We are all human beings that are basically the same... we intermingled with the human beings of various regions of the world throughout the history of the human being.... nations are like families... famlies may have big or small problems with each other, that's natural, nobody is perfect... however we have to solve our problems humanely and in a most civilized manner... moreover; according to our common circumstances and unique historical facts...we must respect each others concerns...

On CF i observed and analyzed that GR and Oracle behaviourally improved themselves a lot... hope their positive and lovely moods spreads rapidly to the others too... though klick also sounds very good...

[Sotos]

We are all human beings that are basically the same.

Why are you then demanding that people in Cyprus should be segregated and divided based on ethnicity/religion? Almost nobody would think negatively of you because of what your ancestors have done centuries ago... but you keep trying to screw us now and the future.