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[Lordo]

so this is how efkaf lands are stolen. maras was not enough now in galioro efkaf lands are being stolen legally too. interesting, very interesting. greek cypriots making deals with terks to buy tc lands on the cheap. and there you were believing that you are legitimate. you are as legitimate as the duke of monmouth was. bastards.

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[Nikitas]

In 1878 Thompson visited Famagusta and describes accurately how the Christian population was excluded from the walled city, having no other choice but to build a town in the fever laden marshes.

How Evkaf comes into the Famagusta marsh is typical TC and Turkish bullshit to deprive the Famagusta residents of their rightful ownership. Proof is the total absence or mention of any Evkaf connection from the time that the area was inhabited (centuries ago) till very recently when they "discovered" the issue.

As to the specific piece of land in Kalo Horio. Note that the parties involved and actively working to exploit the land are primarily TURKS. Are they the ones you are calling bastards?

[Mustiejodu]

so this is how efkaf lands are stolen. maras was not enough now in galioro efkaf lands are being stolen legally too. interesting, very interesting. greek cypriots making deals with terks to buy tc lands on the cheap. and there you were believing that you are legitimate. you are as legitimate as the duke of monmouth was. bastards.

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We can have a very long debate about who are bastards . However I don't want to get into a very petty debate about what the ottoman Turks did to their subjects (greeks in particular) in 1576 .i could be wrong with the year . let's put it this way Sultan Selim 11 who was also nicknamed as Selim the drunkard . Loved his wines especially Cyprus wine that the greeks produced . I think it was a legitimate reason why Selim the drunkard ordered His Army to conquer cyprus . 2 reasons really to use as a stop over from North Africa as there were ever increase of piracy and his love for cyprus wine . this is legitimate reasons . None of the lands in cyprus is stolen because it all belongs to Sultan Selim 11 .

[Lordo]

it was better than what the venetians did to them previously. the local chieftain had the first refusal of the bride on her wedding night. wink wink say no more you know what i mean.

[Mustiejodu]

Say no more . I agree

[Nikitas]

You build a lot of mythology on what the Venetians supposedly did, providing very little proof.

Fact is that Venice was the major repository of Greek learning during the Ottoman era, because the Venetians provided the printing facilities, the schools and the libraries that the Ottomans never did, for any of their subjects.

When you go to Venice notice that the biggest canal is named the Canal of the Greeks, and one of the biggest churches in Venice is the Orthodox church, these are hardly the actions of an enemy towards people it regarded as serfs. Understandably it serves Turkish propaganda to use that old bullshit, to cover the reasons why the Ottomans gave freedom of worship- because they used the church as a tax collector. Like everything else about the "glorious" Ottoman period the true motives are hidden by a thick layer of bullshit.

While you are on about the Venetians tell us how Lala Pasha kept his word to the Famagusta defender Antonio Bragadin. It is such a graphic illustration of Ottoman nobility, it probably is told and retold in your primary schools, to instil gentle sentiments at a tender age.

[Lordo]

as you seemed to be quiet an expert about these things, just reminds us what did the lofkosa venetian commander did to the gcs who refused to join him in his fight with the osmanli. come on fess up, what happened. how many and in what manner dont forget the women and children.

when it comes to venitian customs and chiftains choice of first refusal of the bride on her wedding night, i suspect gurubedo tore up the pages of your books and gave them to the uncultured charluis to use in the toilet. it cant be for readin as he is unable to read. he is very clever though he learnt how to copy and paste.

[Nikitas]

you need to read up on the Venetians Lordo.

They were not only in Cyprus, they were in other parts of the Hellenic world, like in Crete.

Crete's most famous poet, Vincenzo Cornaro was Venetian. He was a member of the same Cornaro family that gave us Catherine Cornaro, queen of Cyprus. His poem Erotocritos is 600 plus stanzas in dialect, similar to Cypriot by the way. When he was invited by Venice to present his work he had to take his brother along to act as interpreter because Vincenzo, a Venetian lord, was not fluent in Italian!

This is a revealing story about the relationship between Venetians and the local populations.

How many Ottomans wrote poetry in the local dialect?

We got along with the Venetians much more than with the Ottomans, which probably explains why so many centuries later our dialect contains more Italian than Turkish.

And while you are at it, look up Magna Grecia, it will enlighten you about the bonds between Greeks and Italians and how our Cypriot dialect is spoken in southern Italy.

[Lordo]

aisda da masgaralika

i noticed you have not mentioned what the nicosia commander did to the cypriots who did not come to help him to fight the ottomans.

[Nikitas]

The historical record shows the slaughter of 20 000 Nicosia inhabitants by the Ottomans. How much worse did the Venetians do? Where is this pre battle Venetian action recorded? Was it worse than the pre emptive slaughter of all leading Cypriots in 1821?

And it still leaves the question, if the Venetians were so cruel and negligent with their Greek subjects why did they establish Venice as the center of Greek letters and maintain that center all through the Ottoman occupation and to the present? Venice is the place to go if you want to study post Byzantium Greek culture and history, it was the only place that allowed the printing of Greek texts, Venice not Istanbul, and that says a lot about Ottoman "tolerance".

All colonial powers are bad, but the Ottomans were the worst. They left nothing, absolutely nothing, worth while in their former possessions. This was a military culture that did not even leave any fortifications behind in Cyprus, they were content to use what others had built. Their only lasting influence is a tradition of backward cynicism still evident in the Balkans and the Middle East.