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Re: Great News - Turkey sending another flotilla to Gaza

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:12 am

miltiades wrote:Interesting figures but where do you get them from, give us a link.
All of us "commentators" have to rely to an extend on information searched, none of us is in a position to accurately assess a nations military strength , we rely on a number of sources, I gave mine now give yours.


Milti,

the figures are from global Firepower. Just go to your link and hit the Defence Expenditure tab.

It's a bit more complex than that as well. Capability is measured in terms of the hardware each country has. Some people think it boils down to the numbers, but that is not the case. Unless you plan to invade, you do not need a million troops to defend yourself or hit at an occupying army like Turkey.

It does not boil down to how many aircraft or tanks you possess either. The country with multi faceted capabilities, even in limited numbers, is the country that has the greater strategic reach and can hit hardest.

It's about being able to fuel your fighters airborne, AWACS Command and Control, Electronic Countermeasures, having the ability to strike cities, ships and sink them. Having the ability to mobilize and position submarines, aircraft carriers and launching your aircraft to bomb airports, bridges, roads, military installations and wreaking panic across your enemies cities and and civilian populations, and crippling their infrastructure and means to wage a war.

It also hinges on your ability to fund the war and your ability to build new equipment, and manufacture missiles, bombs and even bullets.

That is where a country with 58,000 regulars can bring down a country like Turkey, North Korea and so forth.
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Re: Great News - Turkey sending another flotilla to Gaza

Postby miltiades » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:15 am

I do not dispute the fact that Israel is a powerful military nation, perhaps with the best army in the world that also enjoys the support of the USA.

Taking on Turkey is not a walk-over whichever way you look at it.

The consequences of a military conflict developing with Turkey would be catastrophic not only for Turkey but Israel too. How many other ME nations might easily be drawn into such a conflict one can only hazard a ques. I can not see Iran remaining on the sidelines or indeed other Muslim nations as well as islamists operating elsewhere.

The world does not need such a conflict, the USA would naturally try to stop this from happening. Cyprus has nothing to gain from such a "war".
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Re: Great News - Turkey sending another flotilla to Gaza

Postby Kikapu » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:28 am

The ONLY feasible route for Turkish jets to attack Israel would be over sea in the Eastern Med since they cannot fly over Syria anymore using it as a cover. Under such scenario, it will be a "turkey shoots" by the Israelis on the Turkish fighter jets. Had Assad fell and the rebels held Syria, then Turkey would have had free hand to use Syrian territory to attack Israel. In any case, Israel is able to defend its territory very easily against Turkey. Defending is easier than attacking under the conditions and the political make up of the Turkey-Israel region.
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Re: Great News - Turkey sending another flotilla to Gaza

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:40 am

miltiades wrote:I do not dispute the fact that Israel is a powerful military nation, perhaps with the best army in the world that also enjoys the support of the USA.

Taking on Turkey is not a walk-over whichever way you look at it.

The consequences of a military conflict developing with Turkey would be catastrophic not only for Turkey but Israel too. How many other ME nations might easily be drawn into such a conflict one can only hazard a ques. I can not see Iran remaining on the sidelines or indeed other Muslim nations as well as islamists operating elsewhere.

The world does not need such a conflict, the USA would naturally try to stop this from happening. Cyprus has nothing to gain from such a "war".


We need such a conflict!

And you give Turkey far too much credit as usual.

It would be a Turkey shoot for Israel should they be stupid enough (inshallah) to attack Israel. One can only live in hope!
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Re: Great News - Turkey sending another flotilla to Gaza

Postby miltiades » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:50 am

Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:I do not dispute the fact that Israel is a powerful military nation, perhaps with the best army in the world that also enjoys the support of the USA.

Taking on Turkey is not a walk-over whichever way you look at it.

The consequences of a military conflict developing with Turkey would be catastrophic not only for Turkey but Israel too. How many other ME nations might easily be drawn into such a conflict one can only hazard a ques. I can not see Iran remaining on the sidelines or indeed other Muslim nations as well as islamists operating elsewhere.

The world does not need such a conflict, the USA would naturally try to stop this from happening. Cyprus has nothing to gain from such a "war".


We need such a conflict!

And you give Turkey far too much credit as usual.

It would be a Turkey shoot for Israel should they be stupid enough (inshallah) to attack Israel. One can only live in hope!

I'm a realist Paphitis, I also wish to see peace and stability in this troubled region.
The islamic world is in a turmoil right now with Syria, Iraq, Libya , all representing a real threat to the world. We do not need another war as it will will solve nothing and as I said before Cyprus would gain nothing from such a war.
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Re: Great News - Turkey sending another flotilla to Gaza

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:57 am

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
miltiades wrote:I do not dispute the fact that Israel is a powerful military nation, perhaps with the best army in the world that also enjoys the support of the USA.

Taking on Turkey is not a walk-over whichever way you look at it.

The consequences of a military conflict developing with Turkey would be catastrophic not only for Turkey but Israel too. How many other ME nations might easily be drawn into such a conflict one can only hazard a ques. I can not see Iran remaining on the sidelines or indeed other Muslim nations as well as islamists operating elsewhere.

The world does not need such a conflict, the USA would naturally try to stop this from happening. Cyprus has nothing to gain from such a "war".


We need such a conflict!

And you give Turkey far too much credit as usual.

It would be a Turkey shoot for Israel should they be stupid enough (inshallah) to attack Israel. One can only live in hope!

I'm a realist Paphitis, I also wish to see peace and stability in this troubled region.
The islamic world is in a turmoil right now with Syria, Iraq, Libya , all representing a real threat to the world. We do not need another war as it will will solve nothing and as I said before Cyprus would gain nothing from such a war.


I wouldn't say you're a realist. You have no idea about Military matters and should stay out of such conversations.

Where is the peace and stability for Cyprus?

Sometimes you need developments to bring about this peace and stability. It's never handed to you unless you want Cyprus occupied forever or under Turkey's thumb under a bogus @settlement@ and consider that to be peace and stability!

Let me ask you this. Are the commanders of the IDF realists? Do you see them trembling with fear? No I didn't think so.

You look at the numbers and somehow think Israel should be concerned if Turkey was to turn up the heat. Not the case!
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Re: Great News - Turkey sending another flotilla to Gaza

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:04 am

I remember when you were poking fun at the CNG, GR and myself because you just could not believe in their capability.

I will remind you for one last time, it all depends on the objectives. The objectives that the CNG would have should an outbreak take place could very well mean that the CNG can achieve victory against the Turkish Military in Cyprus.

Just don't do that again! It's unacceptable!
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Re: Great News - Turkey sending another flotilla to Gaza

Postby miltiades » Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:52 am

Paphitis wrote:I remember when you were poking fun at the CNG, GR and myself because you just could not believe in their capability.

I will remind you for one last time, it all depends on the objectives. The objectives that the CNG would have should an outbreak take place could very well mean that the CNG can achieve victory against the Turkish Military in Cyprus.

Just don't do that again! It's unacceptable!

Too much knowledge is dangerous for you.
If you can not see that such a war would be anathema for the entire region then you are blinded by your wish to see Turkey obliterated by Israel.

As for my opposing the war that you and the psycho were promoting I was right , no war can solve the Cyprob, only the people though negotiations, give and take.
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Re: Great News - Turkey sending another flotilla to Gaza

Postby Paphitis » Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:52 pm

miltiades wrote:
Paphitis wrote:I remember when you were poking fun at the CNG, GR and myself because you just could not believe in their capability.

I will remind you for one last time, it all depends on the objectives. The objectives that the CNG would have should an outbreak take place could very well mean that the CNG can achieve victory against the Turkish Military in Cyprus.

Just don't do that again! It's unacceptable!

Too much knowledge is dangerous for you.
If you can not see that such a war would be anathema for the entire region then you are blinded by your wish to see Turkey obliterated by Israel.

As for my opposing the war that you and the psycho were promoting I was right , no war can solve the Cyprob, only the people though negotiations, give and take.


There is already a war in the region. A war where about 1000 civilians have been killed already.

Today they knocked out the Power Station.

I don't know how a military confrontation between Turkey and Israel would be more disastrous. If anything, Palestinians will benefit because the IDF will swing its attention over to Turkey. Certainly a win for the Palestinians.

A win win for Cyprus and Greece as well. There is no question in my mind that Israel will prevail and it changes the balance of power in the region altogether.

Sorry, but I don't see where you're coming from.
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Re: Great News - Turkey sending another flotilla to Gaza

Postby Geoff1131 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 4:30 pm

Paphitis, anyone who advocates war should be ashamed of themselves. Some things are outside our control but to wish war on any nation is beneath contempt.
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