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The GC can go to the IPC to get his property back or compensation thousands of GCs have done

That's not the issue here Vp the issue is giving up living on stolen properties and your leaders accepting the fact that if there will be a solution human/civil rights have to be honored...you on the other hand want apartheid ...

Only with an Apartheid system VP can keep "his" stolen GC properties in the north. "Good luck" to him doing that in the EU.

There are many honourable TCs in the north. Many even refused to take any stolen GC properties when they could have, like my mother, instead they took points against their own properties in the south, which was a mistake on it's own, but they were scared into accepting such worthless offer. They were to give the titles of their own properties in the south to the regime in the north for in return to receive stolen GC properties in the north. The only hope these people with points would have now, is that there is a settlement so that they can get their properties back in the south, since the points they have has very little monetary value these days.

You are not only a liar by also one of the biggest hypocrites on this forum, your mother occupys property left by the GCs, so she in your own eyes is a thief...I do not occupy GC property but I do have property in the South which I cannot get back due to the GCs and you claim I have stolen property. Your mask is well and truely off.

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The properties issue is just not going to vanish in an EU context. No matter what derogations anyone gives. It is too fundamental to be politically manipulated and the EU are careful about setting precedents that might backfire on them in the future.

Then there is the other side of the coin. GCs are being led to assume that there will be a a Quid Pro Quo. Those losing properties in the north will be compensated from TC properties in the south. Well, think again! Eroglu last year proposed a joint Property Development Corporation to develop TC properties in the south.

In other words the GCs lost their properties because one of the "new realities" we must recognise in Cyprus is the "nationalisation" of GC land in the north, therefore those GC properties are deemed irretrievable. However, the GCs had the naivete to create the Office of Trustee for TC properties, and this somehow retained the rights of TCs to their properties in the south to the extent that they are not subject to a property exchange. Like they say, no good deed goes unpunished!

If you do not believe it check up on Eroglu's statements regarding properties from the last couple of years.

The amazing thing is that he said with a straight face. The guy deserves an Oscar for comedy.

We all have to be realistic about the property situation, property that is vacant should be returned immediately, where this is not physically possible compensation or alternative property should be offered...anything else will cause complete mayhem and even clashes between TCs and GCs.

[Kikapu]

The GC can go to the IPC to get his property back or compensation thousands of GCs have done

That's not the issue here Vp the issue is giving up living on stolen properties and your leaders accepting the fact that if there will be a solution human/civil rights have to be honored...you on the other hand want apartheid ...

Only with an Apartheid system VP can keep "his" stolen GC properties in the north. "Good luck" to him doing that in the EU.

There are many honourable TCs in the north. Many even refused to take any stolen GC properties when they could have, like my mother, instead they took points against their own properties in the south, which was a mistake on it's own, but they were scared into accepting such worthless offer. They were to give the titles of their own properties in the south to the regime in the north for in return to receive stolen GC properties in the north. The only hope these people with points would have now, is that there is a settlement so that they can get their properties back in the south, since the points they have has very little monetary value these days.

You are not only a liar by also one of the biggest hypocrites on this forum, your mother occupys property left by the GCs, so she in your own eyes is a thief...I do not occupy GC property but I do have property in the South which I cannot get back due to the GCs and you claim I have stolen property. Your mask is well and truely off.

Not only you are an illiterate, but a really bad British "educated" illiterate who cannot even comprehend the basics of the written English language.

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No its your written English that is bad, not my comprehension...did your mother take points in exchange for her property in the South and then exchanged these points for abandoned Gc property in which she still lives today? If she hasnt then we have to take your word for it that makes you a liar proven without a doubt.

[GreekIslandGirl]

VP - Kikapu's mother was born and raised in Cyprus. You were born and raised abroad and like many Turks only came to Cyprus because of the free-offerings from Turkey - whatever they may be! And there are many offerings not just the housing-properties of the GCs ...

[Kikapu]

No its your written English that is bad, not my comprehension...did your mother take points in exchange for her property in the South and then exchanged these points for abandoned Gc property in which she still lives today? If she hasnt then we have to take your word for it that makes you a liar proven without a doubt.

Jesus, you are as thick as they come.

If you comprehended anything that was written, which you clearly do not, even after I have given it to you in very large letters, first it states about some TCs not taking any stolen GC properties at all, which my mother is one of them, but took points instead, because when families divided up their properties which are in the south, they all took equal points in the north, which some converted to stolen GC properties and some just kept the points, like my mother did, which still today she retains her share of ownership of the family's property in the south in the form of points, because those points in her hand were never converted to stolen GC properties nor were they sold.. Then it talks about those who did take points were still holding onto their points without receiving anything in return, and that these points have little monetary values today, and that their only chance was for a settlement to get their properties back in the south.

I have written this before. My whole family ALL left Cyprus by 1968, so my mother has been living in the UK since 1968 and has never converted her points to stolen GC properties or lived in one. Her siblings have, because they never left Cyprus and had converted their share of the points to stolen GC properties.

Now do you comprehend....Jesus!

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So your family has "stolen" property and your mother actually applied for points which are only necessary if want to get GC property so basically you are lieing yet again your whole family has tried or are benefiting from deserted GC property, so you are a liar and a big fat hypocrite.

[Kikapu]

So your family has "stolen" property and your mother actually applied for points which are only necessary if want to get GC property so basically you are lieing yet again your whole family has tried or are benefiting from deserted GC property, so you are a liar and a big fat hypocrite.

You are thicker than thick.

No, my mother did not apply for points. They were distributed to each benefactor in the late 90's when the person appointed to handle their parent's assets in the south by receiving points in the north. My mother had no need for stolen GC properties in the north. She has lived in the UK since 1968. My mother is only responsible for herself. We, her children learned from her. You learned from your "father" Denktash on how to steal others properties. We are not responsible what my mother's family members did or did not do. And you are the liar and wrong. Points are not ONLY for receiving stolen GC properties. They can just be sold for cash also, taking pennies on the dollar and those who bought the points can put it towards stolen GC properties.

I have stated many times in the past that I too have family members who are also living in stolen GC properties, but these are not necessarily all bad people, just like many other thousands of unfortunate TCs. They needed a place to live, and this was their only option that their own leaders put them in. Not the thieves like you who came from the UK in the 90's to buy cheap stolen GCs properties. My mother did the only decent thing, which was not to get any stolen GCs properties and also not sell the points which means she has not lost, at least her portion of the family properties in the south. As long as the points are not sold or are put towards stolen GC properties, she still retains ownership of her property in the south.

She went along with the point system just to help out her siblings. The problem for many TCs is, the RoC does not even recognise what the illegal regime did in the north as far as TCs turning over their properties in the south for points in the north and then giving out points to the heirs equally as if it were some kind of a legal probate. Unless the TCs go through probate in the south, the whole exercise is not legal, which means once there is a settlement, many TCs will just abandon their stolen GCs properties in the north and go to the RoC courts to have a probate on their parents/grandparents properties. The only problem is, it is going to be very very very messy, and complicated, because now there are many more people as heirs to the same said properties as there were 40 years ago.

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So your family has "stolen" property and your mother actually applied for points which are only necessary if want to get GC property so basically you are lieing yet again your whole family has tried or are benefiting from deserted GC property, so you are a liar and a big fat hypocrite.

You are thicker than thick.

No, my mother did not apply for points. They were distributed to each benefactor in the late 90's when the person appointed to handle their parent's assets in the south by receiving points in the north. My mother had no need for stolen GC properties in the north. She has lived in the UK since 1968. My mother is only responsible for herself. We, her children learned from her. You learned from your "father" Denktash on how to steal others properties. We are not responsible what my mother's family members did or did not do. And you are the liar and wrong. Points are not ONLY for receiving stolen GC properties. They can just be sold for cash also, taking pennies on the dollar and those who bought the points can put it towards stolen GC properties.

I have stated many times in the past that I too have family members who are also living in stolen GC properties, but these are not necessarily all bad people, just like many other thousands of unfortunate TCs. They needed a place to live, and this was their only option that their own leaders put them in. Not the thieves like you who came from the UK in the 90's to buy cheap stolen GCs properties. My mother did the only decent thing, which was not to get any stolen GCs properties and also not sell the points which means she has not lost, at least her portion of the family properties in the south. As long as the points are not sold or are put towards stolen GC properties, she still retains ownership of her property in the south.

She went along with the point system just to help out her siblings. The problem for many TCs is, the RoC does not even recognise what the illegal regime did in the north as far as TCs turning over their properties in the south for points in the north and then giving out points to the heirs equally as if it were some kind of a legal probate. Unless the TCs go through probate in the south, the whole exercise is not legal, which means once there is a settlement, many TCs will just abandon their stolen GCs properties in the north and go to the RoC courts to have a probate on their parents/grandparents properties. The only problem is, it is going to be very very very messy, and complicated, because now there are many more people as heirs to the same said properties as there were 40 years ago.

Your mother is as guilty as those you accuse of stealing abandoned GC property, then you have the hypocritical lieing double standards to accuse everyone else regardless of whether they are using old GC property or not that they are thieves, your mother and people like her who dont even reside here signed along the dotted line so her siblings can benefit makes her worse than those that needed accomadation as they lost their property in the South and had nowhere to live. You are now a proven liar, hypocrite and apply extreme double standards to suit your own aims.

[Kikapu]

So your family has "stolen" property and your mother actually applied for points which are only necessary if want to get GC property so basically you are lieing yet again your whole family has tried or are benefiting from deserted GC property, so you are a liar and a big fat hypocrite.

You are thicker than thick.

No, my mother did not apply for points. They were distributed to each benefactor in the late 90's when the person appointed to handle their parent's assets in the south by receiving points in the north. My mother had no need for stolen GC properties in the north. She has lived in the UK since 1968. My mother is only responsible for herself. We, her children learned from her. You learned from your "father" Denktash on how to steal others properties. We are not responsible what my mother's family members did or did not do. And you are the liar and wrong. Points are not ONLY for receiving stolen GC properties. They can just be sold for cash also, taking pennies on the dollar and those who bought the points can put it towards stolen GC properties.

I have stated many times in the past that I too have family members who are also living in stolen GC properties, but these are not necessarily all bad people, just like many other thousands of unfortunate TCs. They needed a place to live, and this was their only option that their own leaders put them in. Not the thieves like you who came from the UK in the 90's to buy cheap stolen GCs properties. My mother did the only decent thing, which was not to get any stolen GCs properties and also not sell the points which means she has not lost, at least her portion of the family properties in the south. As long as the points are not sold or are put towards stolen GC properties, she still retains ownership of her property in the south.

She went along with the point system just to help out her siblings. The problem for many TCs is, the RoC does not even recognise what the illegal regime did in the north as far as TCs turning over their properties in the south for points in the north and then giving out points to the heirs equally as if it were some kind of a legal probate. Unless the TCs go through probate in the south, the whole exercise is not legal, which means once there is a settlement, many TCs will just abandon their stolen GCs properties in the north and go to the RoC courts to have a probate on their parents/grandparents properties. The only problem is, it is going to be very very very messy, and complicated, because now there are many more people as heirs to the same said properties as there were 40 years ago.

Your mother is as guilty as those you accuse of stealing abandoned GC property, then you have the hypocritical lieing double standards to accuse everyone else regardless of whether they are using old GC property or not that they are thieves, your mother and people like her who dont even reside here signed along the dotted line so her siblings can benefit makes her worse than those that needed accomadation as they lost their property in the South and had nowhere to live. You are now a proven liar, hypocrite and apply extreme double standards to suit your own aims.

So now you are proven to be the liar, saying points are ONLY for buying stolen GC properties.

There is a difference TCs using GCs properties in the north for needed shelter against their properties in the south, just as GCs using TCs properties in the south as needed shelter than those like you coming as a foreigner and all the Illegal Alien settlers and taking over GCs properties in the north, be they be houses, land and businesses, buying and selling to foreigners and living of the GC refugees misery. That's what you do. You cannot equal yourself with those TCs who are just living in stolen GCs properties until they can get theirs back after a settlement. You don't want a settlement, because you want to keep "your" stolen GCs properties. You don't even belong in Cyprus.