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the north

..occupied territories

True we occupy them, so this "occupied" label is to us very funny.

[Kikapu]

but when your dealing with someone who dosent know what there talking about it can be frustrating at times.

I know the feeling when I have to explain things to VP about federation, Democracy, Human Rights, International Law and the EU Principles, and all VP says is, Enosis, Enosis, Enosis......!

Why do you want to ignore the root of the problem and any checks and balances we demand, if they are totally useless? then hopefully they will never come into play, or do you as we always suspect have hidden agendas?

I do not ignore "checks & balances". In a True Democracy, there are many checks & balances that come with it. What you call checks & balances that you demand are violations of others Democratic and Human Rights. That's what I'm against.

You want to entrap the TCs by taking away their rights as a community forcing them in minority status all under the guise of what you believe is right and wrong labelling it true federation true democracy and human rights for all. You applied the US system and was suprised to find out that one size does not fit all, Cyprus has to have a system similar but not necessarily exactly the same. Cyprus needs more checks and balances to provide a foundation for trust understanding and development towards better things, you cannot force anything on the TCs anymore those days are over and we have 50% of the say in any future solution.

I don't believe BBF mentions anything about community equality/rights. It ONLY talks about "Political Equality of the 2 states". I will be happy to be proven wrong if you can show me where political equality=community equality/rights.

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If we are to give up our community rights then Equal states is good enough for me.

[Kikapu]

If we are to give up our community rights then Equal states is good enough for me.

No, not "Equal States", because that is a very lose term and can be used to mean anything. It is "political equality of 2 the states" that's in the BBF, right?

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If we are to give up our community rights then Equal states is good enough for me.

No, not "Equal States", because that is a very lose term and can be used to mean anything. It is "political equality of 2 the states" that's in the BBF, right?

Political equality of the 2 states is still good enough for me, as we are negotiating right now.

[Kikapu]

If we are to give up our community rights then Equal states is good enough for me.

No, not "Equal States", because that is a very lose term and can be used to mean anything. It is "political equality of 2 the states" that's in the BBF, right?

Political equality of the 2 states is still good enough for me, as we are negotiating right now.

Good. As long as it complies with the EU Principles, then there shouldn't be any problems for a settlement under a Federal roof.

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If we are to give up our community rights then Equal states is good enough for me.

No, not "Equal States", because that is a very lose term and can be used to mean anything. It is "political equality of 2 the states" that's in the BBF, right?

Political equality of the 2 states is still good enough for me, as we are negotiating right now.

Good. As long as it complies with the EU Principles, then there shouldn't be any problems for a settlement under a Federal roof.

Nothing can be forced, im pretty certain the majority of Eu principles are fine but if there is anything that will expose us to GC manipulation and dominance we will ask for deroggations and transition periods.

[Kikapu]

If we are to give up our community rights then Equal states is good enough for me.

No, not "Equal States", because that is a very lose term and can be used to mean anything. It is "political equality of 2 the states" that's in the BBF, right?

Political equality of the 2 states is still good enough for me, as we are negotiating right now.

Good. As long as it complies with the EU Principles, then there shouldn't be any problems for a settlement under a Federal roof.

Nothing can be forced, im pretty certain the majority of Eu principles are fine but if there is anything that will expose us to GC manipulation and dominance we will ask for deroggations and transition periods.

Lets just say that the EU will grant the TCs some derogation, permanent or temporary and the island is united, and few years down the road, the EU courts strike down those derogations as being unconstitutional with the EU laws. I can assure you, they will be challenged in the courts from day one. What will/can you do to prevent the changes? The answer is absolutely nothing and the changes will be put in place. If something is illegal and is against the EU laws, they will revert them back so that they will comply with the EU laws, even if it takes them few years to go through the legal system.

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Then our legal teams have to get binding documents which can never be challenged before making any sort of comitment. Nothing is written in stone and if it means making a few minor changes to faciliate getting rid of a thorne buried deep in their side and uniting Cyprus, I think they will stick to what they sign. Hopefully some of these derrogations will become redundant as both sides will not try manipulate or dominate the other state.

[Kikapu]

Then our legal teams have to get binding documents which can never be challenged before making any sort of comitment. Nothing is written in stone and if it means making a few minor changes to faciliate getting rid of a thorne buried deep in their side and uniting Cyprus, I think they will stick to what they sign. Hopefully some of these derrogations will become redundant as both sides will not try manipulate or dominate the other state.

Well, all I can say is, good luck, because in a democracy, everything can be challenged in the courts and changed if deemed illegal.