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[miltiades]

miltiades why dont you be a good fellow help my bafidi friend understand what gcs did in murataga atlilar and sandallilar. he seems to be ignorant of the facts. are you going to let him remain in his ignorance.

Lordo, both the G/C extremists and T/C counterparts committed hideous atrocities against innocent people, do not forget that more than 5000 G/Cs perished as a result of the Turkish invasion.

Neither set of extremists can be exonerated.

[Lordo]

wipe out villages miltiades, come on thats a new ideology.

[insan]

you dont seem to be aware of anything gcs were planning from 1960 to 1974. at least learn the truth before yu open your gob dear friend. what was it the the gc ng soldier said after killing every woman and child in murataga atlilar and sandallilar. our job is done here. now theres a message as to what the ng plans were. are you aware of aphrodite plans one and two. dont tell me its news to you. sure is ainit.

No I am not aware of what they were planning. There were no plans at all.

And they did not murder every woman and child at all. They murdered the men and that is still a crime, but it was only after Turkey invaded and was already performing its very own crimes which killed 5,000 odd GCs, and ethnically cleansed 180,000 GCs.

You angel GCs... what makes you such an angels and Turks evil... God or nature of the region?

Remember Sandalaris, Tohni and Murataga? A fascist namely Grivas and some other fascists like Sampson, Polykarpos etc caring a lot about TC children and females... eh?

I really wonder what makes you such an angels... blind angels actually!

Paphitis, you will never change... never ever... Your like mindeds too...

[insan]

miltiades why dont you be a good fellow help my bafidi friend understand what gcs did in murataga atlilar and sandallilar. he seems to be ignorant of the facts. are you going to let him remain in his ignorance.

Lordo, both the G/C extremists and T/C counterparts committed hideous atrocities against innocent people, do not forget that more than 5000 G/Cs perished as a result of the Turkish invasion.

Neither set of extremists can be exonerated.

That's true but there must be a difference between being killed during fighting with your gun in your hand and mass murder of the whole people of Tochni, Sandalaris and Murataga villages... True, it was after the Turkish military intervention but who cares? those brain washed fascist irregulars could do it anytime they wished... why did they do it after the second phase of Turkish military intervention? Those cowards saw that they lost, thought there's nothing more to lose and by killing the whole people of those 3 villages at least satisfied their hatred against TCs... and all of them forgiven by Makarios with an amnesty in 1978...

[miltiades]

miltiades why dont you be a good fellow help my bafidi friend understand what gcs did in murataga atlilar and sandallilar. he seems to be ignorant of the facts. are you going to let him remain in his ignorance.

Lordo, both the G/C extremists and T/C counterparts committed hideous atrocities against innocent people, do not forget that more than 5000 G/Cs perished as a result of the Turkish invasion.

Neither set of extremists can be exonerated.

That's true but there must be a difference between being killed during fighting with your gun in your hand and mass murder of the whole people of Tochni, Sandalaris and Murataga villages... True, it was after the Turkish military intervention but who cares? those brain washed fascist irregulars could do it anytime they wished... why did they do it after the second phase of Turkish military intervention? Those cowards saw that they lost, thought there's nothing more to lose and by killing the whole people of those 3 villages at least satisfied their hatred against TCs... and all of them forgiven by Makarios with an amnesty in 1978...

No decent human being can justify the slaughter of innocent people. Do remember that the Turkish invasion caused the killing of more than 5000 G/Cs. No one is an angel, nobody justifiably kills, the G/Cs following the Turkish invasion retaliated. The Turkish invaders not only killed, raped , imprisoned but displaced more than 160 thousand G/Cs from their ancestral lands, then proceeded to obliterate any signs of the indigenous Cypriot people in the occupied areas, imported thousands of settlers, now they have the audacity to reprimand Israel, two faced or what !

[miltiades]

" a report of the European Commission of Human Rights adopted on July 10, 1976 prepared by 18 oustanding jurists and chaired by Professor J.E.S. Fawcett after a year's research into the consequences of the Turkish invasion .

The report states :

Mass rapes

Relevant Article of the European Convention on Human Rights: 'No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment... (Article 3).

Charge laid against Turkey: Turkish troops were responsible for wholesale and repeated rapes of women of all ages from 12 to 71, sometimes to such an extent that the victims suffered haemorrages or became mental wrecks. In some areas, enforced prostitution was practised, all women and girls of a village being collected and put into separate rooms in empty houses where they were raped repeatedly. In certain cases members of the same family were repeatedly raped, some of them in front of their own children. In other cases women were brutally raped in public. Rapes were on many occasions accompanied by brutalities such as violent biting of the victims causing severe wounding, banging their heads on the floor and wringing their throats almost to the point of suffocation. In some cases attempts at rape were followed by the stabbing or killing of the victims. Victims included pregnant and mentally retarded women.
Turkey's defence: No answer was given to these charges and Turkey boycotted the Commission's proceedings once her jurisdictional objection was rejected. Commission's verdict:
'The evidence shows that rapes were committed by Turkish soldiers and at least in two cases even by Turkish officers, and this not only in some isolated cases of indiscipline. It has not been shown that the Turkish authorities took adequate measures to prevent this happening or that they generally took any disciplinary measures following such incidents. The Commission therefore considers that the non-prevention of the said acts is imputable to Turkey under the Convention.
The Commission, by 12 votes against one, finds that the incidents of rape described in the above cases and regarded as established constitute Τinhuman treatmentΥ in the sense of Art. 3 of the Convention, which is imputable toTurkey (Report, paras. 373-4).


http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/176079

[Lordo]

you keep running around like a headless chicken old man. now here is an interesting question if we may be allowed to get back to the subject. who created hamas and why. answer that and you can have a shiny marble.

as to the rapes in cyprus, perhaps you can tell us how many tcs were raped in 63 - 67. perhaps that will be a good starting point.

[Cap]

[insan]

" a report of the European Commission of Human Rights adopted on July 10, 1976 prepared by 18 oustanding jurists and chaired by Professor J.E.S. Fawcett after a year's research into the consequences of the Turkish invasion .

The report states :

Mass rapes

Relevant Article of the European Convention on Human Rights: 'No one shall be subjected to torture or to inhuman or degrading treatment... (Article 3).

Charge laid against Turkey: Turkish troops were responsible for wholesale and repeated rapes of women of all ages from 12 to 71, sometimes to such an extent that the victims suffered haemorrages or became mental wrecks. In some areas, enforced prostitution was practised, all women and girls of a village being collected and put into separate rooms in empty houses where they were raped repeatedly. In certain cases members of the same family were repeatedly raped, some of them in front of their own children. In other cases women were brutally raped in public. Rapes were on many occasions accompanied by brutalities such as violent biting of the victims causing severe wounding, banging their heads on the floor and wringing their throats almost to the point of suffocation. In some cases attempts at rape were followed by the stabbing or killing of the victims. Victims included pregnant and mentally retarded women.
Turkey's defence: No answer was given to these charges and Turkey boycotted the Commission's proceedings once her jurisdictional objection was rejected. Commission's verdict:
'The evidence shows that rapes were committed by Turkish soldiers and at least in two cases even by Turkish officers, and this not only in some isolated cases of indiscipline. It has not been shown that the Turkish authorities took adequate measures to prevent this happening or that they generally took any disciplinary measures following such incidents. The Commission therefore considers that the non-prevention of the said acts is imputable to Turkey under the Convention.
The Commission, by 12 votes against one, finds that the incidents of rape described in the above cases and regarded as established constitute Τinhuman treatmentΥ in the sense of Art. 3 of the Convention, which is imputable toTurkey (Report, paras. 373-4).


http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/176079

that is taken from the allegations document submitted by propagandist GC administration... the allegation researched and examined by the commission... in conlusion part of the issue there's nothing related with the allegation of mass rapes...

http://www.cyprus-conflict.org/material ... age17.html

You too will never change reh old wolf...

[insan]

miltiades why dont you be a good fellow help my bafidi friend understand what gcs did in murataga atlilar and sandallilar. he seems to be ignorant of the facts. are you going to let him remain in his ignorance.

Lordo, both the G/C extremists and T/C counterparts committed hideous atrocities against innocent people, do not forget that more than 5000 G/Cs perished as a result of the Turkish invasion.

Neither set of extremists can be exonerated.

That's true but there must be a difference between being killed during fighting with your gun in your hand and mass murder of the whole people of Tochni, Sandalaris and Murataga villages... True, it was after the Turkish military intervention but who cares? those brain washed fascist irregulars could do it anytime they wished... why did they do it after the second phase of Turkish military intervention? Those cowards saw that they lost, thought there's nothing more to lose and by killing the whole people of those 3 villages at least satisfied their hatred against TCs... and all of them forgiven by Makarios with an amnesty in 1978...

No decent human being can justify the slaughter of innocent people. Do remember that the Turkish invasion caused the killing of more than 5000 G/Cs. No one is an angel, nobody justifiably kills, the G/Cs following the Turkish invasion retaliated. The Turkish invaders not only killed, raped , imprisoned but displaced more than 160 thousand G/Cs from their ancestral lands, then proceeded to obliterate any signs of the indigenous Cypriot people in the occupied areas, imported thousands of settlers, now they have the audacity to reprimand Israel, two faced or what !

Turkey warned the coupists that if not fired at them they wouldn't fire back... it was Sampson and Junta's decision to supposedly defend Cyprus against "Turkish invaders"... Greek junta had already invaded Cyprus when Turkey intervened... and it was first the armed NG under control of junta fired at Turkish intervention forces... on 19th of july Greek junta freed 10.000 Makarios loyalists and armed them to increase it's defence capability(CIA report)... Even the 12 years olds armed with whatever fired arms they were given(cia reports)... The military intervention of Turkey under such condition caused more than 8000 death to Turkey and TCs... caused 75.000 of TCs to flee from their homes in south to north because the irregulars of pro-enosist, merciless fascists still were thretening to kill and harrass everyone in their way... infact they kept threatening everyone on the island up until 1978 when finally Makarios made them untouchbles with an amnesty...

As for the settlers issue; how much Turkey and TC adminstration is guilty on this issue; as much the GC administration are guilty because right after the events of 1974 a just solution could have been reached in 2 or 3 years times had they ever changed their minds from their faulty old politics into rational modern politics... they kept makimg dirty propaganda both against Turke and TCs in hope of they would turn everything in favour of themselves and finally own the whole island...