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[insan]

Minutes of Meeting of the Washington Special Actions Group1

Washington, July 16, 1974, 10:36–11:20 a.m.

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Secretary Kissinger: Our objectives as I see it are: (1) to prevent the internationalization of the situation, and (2) if civil war develops to conduct ourselves so that the Communists aren't encouraged to exploit the situation. The first thing we have got to do is decouple the Greeks, and do it today. We also have to get the Turks to stay out of it. If he (Makarios) is indeed leaving, it seems to me that organized resistance will collapse. Callaghan told me it was at Makarios' initiative to leave. Callaghan said that Makarios asked to be moved to a British Sovereign Base and from there to Malta. I just don't understand his reasons for not staying.

Mr. Boyatt: I can't either. It's quite unlike him. He has guts, and this I don't understand.

Secretary Kissinger: One thing we cannot accurately assess is what paramilitary forces are going to do. History has proved this. We have to see what develops on the island before we can really do anything. I see no problem on the recognition thing. We don't want to recognize Sampson. He's just a figurehead anyway, isn't he?

Mr. Stabler: That's right. If asked, we should just say that the question of recognition just hasn't arisen.

http://history.state.gov/historicaldocu ... -76v30/d86


If he stayed... not in his palace but in Paphos by retreating all of his tatctical forces and paramilitaries, would have caused more bloodshed among GC commuinity? ... and the organized resistance didn't collapse... at least among the tactical forces and left wing paramilitaries of Lyssarides... though 10.000 Makarios loyalists were prisoned by coupists...

In the first few days of the coup in Cyprus, there were some easily could be analyzed and rightly concluded issues that the Washington Special Actions Group which includes some top names of USAG such as Kissinger, Boyatt, Sisco and Colby; didn't understand why Turkey asked the removal of Sampson and return of Makarios as the president; besides why Makarios escaped to Malta... Presidentship of Sampson was not in the interest of anyone other than Greek junta and Enosist GC political groups... Although Makarios was hated by TCs; he was the only lesser of the evils for them... for Turkey too... even for the Soviets...

[Get Real!]

I think he just left to save his life because they were trying to kill him.

He was actually a good man who sometimes had to say certain things in crowds and gatherings to appease certain institutions but was always one step ahead of all the fools for years for he predicted the demise of Cyprus years before it happened and kept warning them to cut the crap or else.

As for the TCs not liking him… he was seen as the leader of their enemy and that’s a stigma he couldn’t shake off.

[Lordo]

nonsense, he was an enosis supporter to the end. he never gave up the idea. If he was not he would not have vetoed 72 agreement between clerides and dengtash on account it excluded enosis.

stop re-writing history just to suit your beliefs. it was him who said let them boil in their jucies. how can he be a good man.

mavroshilloyerimo naminis esuni dje o magariossu.

[insan]

nonsense, he was an enosis supporter to the end. he never gave up the idea. If he was not he would not have vetoed 72 agreement between clerides and dengtash on account it excluded enosis.

stop re-writing history just to suit your beliefs. it was him who said let them boil in their jucies. how can he be a good man.

mavroshilloyerimo naminis esuni dje o magariossu.

Reh vordo... ooopppss sorry lordo... have u any sources backing what you claim? This isssue needs to be well researched...

http://www.anarkismo.net/article/23221 ------------------- This article gives me some clues but need a deep research...

[insan]

nonsense, he was an enosis supporter to the end. he never gave up the idea. If he was not he would not have vetoed 72 agreement between clerides and dengtash on account it excluded enosis.

stop re-writing history just to suit your beliefs. it was him who said let them boil in their jucies. how can he be a good man.

mavroshilloyerimo naminis esuni dje o magariossu.

Reh vordo... ooopppss sorry lordo... have u any sources backing what you claim? This isssue needs to be well researched...

http://www.anarkismo.net/article/23221 ------------------- This article gives me some clues but need a deep research...

Relation of Makarios with that article i linked above has been destroyed by the source i linked below...

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http://books.google.com.cy/books?id=gES ... ta&f=false[/url]

[Lordo]

reh insanaghi, you put too much faith in what people write. look at the facts themsleves. magarios attended a meeting after 74 when he returned where a man in croed was shouting ohi enosis. magarios was asked why his supporters were against enosis and he replied they are not. magarios thought the man was shouting ohi anohi ( no change). I heard him say it. you want better research gavole mavre. to his dying day he was an enosisshite where he saw himslef as the archbishop of megalo ellatha. he was a meglomaniac to the core. you can read all you like instead spend some time listening to what he said.

he was presdient when they voted for enosis in 67. it has never been repealed. tell me one incident where magarios mentioned independence or that he was against enosis.

[Oceanside50]

After 19 60 and the zurich agreement, Makarios's task was to run the Republic and try and balance the difficult job of seeming pro enosis and pro Republic. He realized that enosis was fading fast into the horizon and there was no use of chasing it. An important point that noone has mentioned, after the creation of EOKA B and the ethnic troubles of the 60's, Makarios was seen by the Greek Cypriot Majority 95% as the protector of the Turk Cyps. People had come to realize that troubles with the TC would lead to an invasion by Turkey. Eoka B on the other hand was against Makarios, which leads me to believe that they were against the Tc also, although i have never heard of eoka B attacking the Tc...

[Get Real!]

nonsense, he was an enosis supporter to the end. he never gave up the idea.

He was the only one who kept telling them that it wasn't possible and that they should forget it.

it was him who said let them boil in their jucies. how can he be a good man.

Makarios, was too educated and courteous to say something stupid like that. Your misinformation most likely comes from thugs of your community like Denktash whose job it was to segregate.

ohi anohi ( no change). I heard him say it.

That phrase means "no tolerance" so again your lack of education has had a major influence on your understanding of events.

he was presdient when they voted for enosis in 67.

No such vote took place with the exception of a 1950 plebiscite conducted by the Church.

Anyway, I think that spending too much time with a 60-70 year old hardcore of the past like you, is a waste of time today because time has moved on and you are no longer the future of Cyprus.

[repulsewarrior]

...was the coup the second or third attempt on his life, by "Greeks"?

[Nikitas]

Lordo insists he was pro Enosis, the Junta tried three times to kill him because he was anti Enosis. Go figure.

To this day Greeks demonise him because he stood in the way of Enosis, they love to quote his "desirable versus feasible" speech as proof of his anti Enosis ideology.