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[Paphitis]

The arguments as to the rights and wrongs can go on ad infinitum. However there can be no doubt that Israel is wrong in its colonisation of the West Bank (ring a bell?). Taking someone else's property, kicking them off their land is a crime (ring a bell?).

Israel is successfully defending itself with its Iron dome, the Israelis may be scared by the incoming rockets but they are not being slaughtered in their hundreds. The real crime here is the disproportionate force being used by one side regardless of the number of innocent victims killed and maimed.

If the Greek Cypriots lived in despair as the Palestinians do in the shithole that is Gaza I imagine we would be resisting our oppressor in a like manner - we don't because we have too much to lose.

You got to give the Palestinians a lot of credit. They are fighting for their country against awful odds. It's admirable. I do not condone any of the Israeli bombings or the killing of civilians. Nothing can justify that injustice and Israel should be held accountable by the UN in my opinion. Their cries of self Defence kind of gives them some justification which is why it is hard to accuse them of war crimes in this instance.

Their defence is out of all proportion to the action of Hamas, they appear to believe that one Israeli life is worth 1000 Palestinians, that their right to life is greater than anyone else's.

Not exactly true. It is only out if proportion right now!

They have let slide hundreds of rocket attacks where they did not act at all which is tremendously disciplined of any country to do under such circumstances. Eventually it all comes to a head and all hell breaks loose.

I am not saying that Palestinians are wrong and Israel is correct. What I am saying is that the situation is very complex and both sides need to carry the can of blame. One day the will both hopefully come to understand that negotiations are in everyone's best interest but I am not optimistic at all.

[Jerry]

The arguments as to the rights and wrongs can go on ad infinitum. However there can be no doubt that Israel is wrong in its colonisation of the West Bank (ring a bell?). Taking someone else's property, kicking them off their land is a crime (ring a bell?).

Israel is successfully defending itself with its Iron dome, the Israelis may be scared by the incoming rockets but they are not being slaughtered in their hundreds. The real crime here is the disproportionate force being used by one side regardless of the number of innocent victims killed and maimed.

If the Greek Cypriots lived in despair as the Palestinians do in the shithole that is Gaza I imagine we would be resisting our oppressor in a like manner - we don't because we have too much to lose.

We lost 37% of our country.

Is there more to lose than that?

Yes we are fully aware of the settlements in the West Bank. It is an illegality which needs to be sorted with negotiations and then a complete withdraw but there is not much chance of that in the near future.


The conflict could go on ad infinitum. The only way is to impose sanctions on Israel but are you sure that Hamas will cease its shenanigans?

Had the "boys" done what they threatened to do post "partition" then I'm sure we would have lost much more. I clearly remember them threatening to carry out guerilla attacks in the north but changed their minds when Turkey said it would respond by moving further south.
There's no chance of Israeli withdrawal from the settlements unless the US orders them to and puts pressure on them to comply.

We should have stayed put but not do any guerrilla stuff until the Cyprus National Guard an establish its permanent defences, if at all that is. It would have been difficult for Turkey if 180,000 of our citizens stayed put.

On your second point, I believe the US is more than willing to apply as much pressure on Israel to withdraw from the West Bank. In fact, the US is Israel's biggest critic and it condemns any new settlements. The intention of course is to try and achieve a peace settlement whereby a Palestinian State will be formed and be a full member of the UN. I think the 1967 boundaries are the end game goal but it is hard to get the Israelis and Palestinians to even talk to each other.

The Israelis have told the Americans to jam it a number if times! Audacious but that is the reality!

The US is unable to put pressure on the Israelis by virtue of the fact that both main political parties receive significant fundsin equal measure by Jewish interests in the States, guess what will happen to the first party that steps out of line. As Baldrick would say - a cunning ploy!

[Paphitis]

The arguments as to the rights and wrongs can go on ad infinitum. However there can be no doubt that Israel is wrong in its colonisation of the West Bank (ring a bell?). Taking someone else's property, kicking them off their land is a crime (ring a bell?).

Israel is successfully defending itself with its Iron dome, the Israelis may be scared by the incoming rockets but they are not being slaughtered in their hundreds. The real crime here is the disproportionate force being used by one side regardless of the number of innocent victims killed and maimed.

If the Greek Cypriots lived in despair as the Palestinians do in the shithole that is Gaza I imagine we would be resisting our oppressor in a like manner - we don't because we have too much to lose.

We lost 37% of our country.

Is there more to lose than that?

Yes we are fully aware of the settlements in the West Bank. It is an illegality which needs to be sorted with negotiations and then a complete withdraw but there is not much chance of that in the near future.


The conflict could go on ad infinitum. The only way is to impose sanctions on Israel but are you sure that Hamas will cease its shenanigans?

Had the "boys" done what they threatened to do post "partition" then I'm sure we would have lost much more. I clearly remember them threatening to carry out guerilla attacks in the north but changed their minds when Turkey said it would respond by moving further south.
There's no chance of Israeli withdrawal from the settlements unless the US orders them to and puts pressure on them to comply.

We should have stayed put but not do any guerrilla stuff until the Cyprus National Guard an establish its permanent defences, if at all that is. It would have been difficult for Turkey if 180,000 of our citizens stayed put.

On your second point, I believe the US is more than willing to apply as much pressure on Israel to withdraw from the West Bank. In fact, the US is Israel's biggest critic and it condemns any new settlements. The intention of course is to try and achieve a peace settlement whereby a Palestinian State will be formed and be a full member of the UN. I think the 1967 boundaries are the end game goal but it is hard to get the Israelis and Palestinians to even talk to each other.

The Israelis have told the Americans to jam it a number if times! Audacious but that is the reality!

The US is unable to put pressure on the Israelis by virtue of the fact that both main political parties receive significant fundsin equal measure by Jewish interests in the States, guess what will happen to the first party that steps out of line. As Baldrick would say - a cunning ploy!

Yes fully aware of Israel's power not just in the US but everywhere.

They are a smart race there is no question. If only we were like them. We as a race have the money but we do not have a united front like they do and we are not as politically wise as they are. We are not even close. We can use them however to serve our own interests and infiltrate their networks and I think we are beginning to do this with some success.

It's true that Israel has more control over the US than the US has control over Israel. However, the US is a powerful country and can push Israel's buttons too.

[Cap]

Here's something interesting.

1.8 million people crammed into 360 km2, that's how big Gaza is.
Gaza fits 4 times into Paphos district alone.

Now imagine 1/4 of Paphos having 1.8 million residents.
Crazy.

[Jerry]

Here's something interesting.

1.8 million people crammed into 360 km2, that's how big Gaza is.
Gaza fits 4 times into Paphos district alone.

Now imagine 1/4 of Paphos having 1.8 million residents.
Crazy.

I believe the Israeli thinking is - there's plenty of arab land in the Middle East, let them live there 'cos God gave Israel to us.

[Get Real!]

How convenient for the US that 300 Europeans fall out of the sky and land right in Putin’s feet!

[Oceanside50]

Unfortunately both sides(Israelis,Hamas) are using this event in Gaza for their own benefit, with neither having much regard for human lives. Hamas is shooting rockets into Israel so that it can sustain and keep its legitamcy as the dominant Palestinian party. The Israelis are using the incursion into Gaza to train its new recruits.

[kurupetos]

Dirty b*stards

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/07/17/photo-of-the-day-israeli-kids-sends-gifts-of-love-to-arab-kids/

I suppose many people are capable of hate. It all depends on your anger which might depend on whether rockets have fallen in your general direction.

However, we should not be so quick to call these kids dirty bastards when we have more than enough dirty bastards of our own. You see, it must have been ok in your book when Greek Militias and Sampsons murderous killing squads were going through TC villages such as Tochni, Sandalar etc ...

Do you remember when you were posting support for Orthodox Serbian Militias ethnically cleansing Bosnia of Muslims and Ethnic Albanians? That was ok was it not? It's ok because the Serbs are your Orthodox brothers.

Dirty Bastard!

Greek Militias and Sampson didn't have 10 year old girls as members, you nitwit.

[Paphitis]

Dirty b*stards

http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2006/07/17/photo-of-the-day-israeli-kids-sends-gifts-of-love-to-arab-kids/

I suppose many people are capable of hate. It all depends on your anger which might depend on whether rockets have fallen in your general direction.

However, we should not be so quick to call these kids dirty bastards when we have more than enough dirty bastards of our own. You see, it must have been ok in your book when Greek Militias and Sampsons murderous killing squads were going through TC villages such as Tochni, Sandalar etc ...

Do you remember when you were posting support for Orthodox Serbian Militias ethnically cleansing Bosnia of Muslims and Ethnic Albanians? That was ok was it not? It's ok because the Serbs are your Orthodox brothers.

Dirty Bastard!

Greek Militias and Sampson didn't have 10 year old girls as members, you nitwit.

That's irrelevant to the price of eggs! The IDF don't have 10 year olds either you foolish man!

Point is, we are more than capable of being even dirtier than the Israelis are so don't go pointing any fingers. You for example are an extremely dirty bastard for condoning the Holocaust against the Jews, defending war crimes or at least crimes against TCs in Cyprus, and for verbally indicating your support for Serbian Ethnic Cleansing and War Crimes in Bosnia. I think you should be the last person to even look at Israel's general direction. At least those Israeli kids have the defence of knowing better or being taught by disgusting adults of your ilk.

[Paphitis]

How convenient for the US that 300 Europeans fall out of the sky and land right in Putin’s feet!

There were also 28 Australians, 44 Malaysians, as well as Canadians, and Kiwis

It may be convenient for Israel as it seems to have deflected a lot of attention from Gaza.

It is a very serious situation as Australian, Dutch and British relations with Russia are set to decline to levels worse than the Cold War. There is a lot of talk that even Putin will have his invitation to Oz repealed which also probably means that the 2 countries are about to close diplomatic missions as well.

I think the situation with the Dutch is just as critical.