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[Viewpoint]

You are clearly back peddling when you should just come clean and apologies for the lies you have spread on this forum. You have been caught with your hand firmly lodged in the cookie jar, man will you go to no lengths to lick GC ass.

I'm telling you what you will be faced with. You just can't handle the truth, boy!

You are one to talk about the truth you have been caught fabricating agreements and lieing to get people to believe you.....your credibility has been reduced even further, not that you have any to start with.

[Kikapu]

You are clearly back peddling when you should just come clean and apologies for the lies you have spread on this forum. You have been caught with your hand firmly lodged in the cookie jar, man will you go to no lengths to lick GC ass.

I'm telling you what you will be faced with. You just can't handle the truth, boy!

You are one to talk about the truth you have been caught fabricating agreements and lieing to get people to believe you.....your credibility has been reduced even further, not that you have any to start with.

So tell us what are my fabrications?

1. Is it not true that there is a UNSC resolution on BBF?
2. Is it not true that the 1960 agreements are not practised as far as the TCs are concerned and that you have absolutely no say so what the RoC does?
3. Is it not true that you cannot force the RoC to live by the 1960 agreements? Where is your veto vote?
4. Is it not true, that the RoC is only negotiating just the BBF, which was the last agreement signed by Denktash and Makarios in the 70's and that is what all the negotiations since that time has been about BBF.
5. Is it not true that the 1960 agreements are now contrary to the EU Principles and are in effect obsolete?
6. Is it not true that 1960 agreements are just collecting dust and if you wanted to go back to them the GCs will not accept them as they are unless it complies with the EU norms, or else only BBF with EU norms is negotiated.

[Lordo]

what load of rubbish you post. gcs would love to get back to 1960 agreement with everybody back to their properties which is why the constitution has not been changed. the only thing changed was number of mps and even that was done proportionately. as to the eu it has no say, anything agreed in cyprus goes. they were ready to accept annan plan ffs. what is the matter with you old man.

[Viewpoint]

Yet again you post crap Kikapoo because thats all you are able to produce, the 1960 constitution is still alive and utulized by the GCs, the parts which involve TCs has been in limbo due to the current divide, please tell the GCs to erase the 1960 agreements and the TRNC will be recognized tomorrow. Why do you think we have a say in the decision making process and agreement of a future solution? its because of our rights under the said agreements, thats why GCs like you want to feel they have erased these agreements and taken away our rights, but in reality we all know that will never be the case as we are in the North, the island is divided and the international community recognizes there are two parties to this problem which have to be consulted if a solution is to be found.

[Kikapu]

Lordo & VP, you have not disproved anything I wrote. Nobody said that the 1960 agreements are not used by the GCs, at least the parts they see fit to run the RoC. The GCs will never go back to the 1960 agreements as it was. They will only do so if the 1960 agreements comply with the EU norms. That's why they have BBF as a back up, to negotiate anything and everything from scratch that will comply with the EU norms.

[repulsewarrior]

...if there is a Republic, and a Turkish Constituency, where is the Greek Constituency?

"That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status."

...count them, three governing bodies.

With a Greek Constituency (and others, i.e. Maronite, Armenian, Latin) it is possible to have equality amongst people as Persons, (and dare i say it, with Cypriot Constituencies, the Cypriot People could elect to create an English Constituency, and in the future others if and when it is warranted).

With a Greek Constituency, regardless of demographics, Greek is sustained and promoted.

With a Greek Constituency, the State, and the Government which represents all Citizens without distinction or discrimination, is Free of this bias, (defending Greekness because the overwhelming majority of the island's population is Greek), more credible, it will be better able to defend our Individual Rights as members of the larger family, of Man.

Bicommunal does not mean tearing the island in two, but, it requires from all of us a willingness to overcome the fears we have within ourselves, to change our thinking, to demonstrate that Cypriots have an intent far more complex than being "Greeks" and "Turks" in a proxy war.

Just like the word Bicommunal, the word Bizonal is only complete if there are (more than) "two" of something which remains a whole. In my Cyprus, enclaves are not a dirty word, and I believe that Justice can be seen if they exist. What of the displaced, the murdered, and the missing, who were/are they that they suffered this fate, in '63, and in '74? What of their return if not for all of them, some of them as they were forced to leave, as Communities? I see enclaves pocketing the whole island, obliging the Greek and Turkish Constituencies to serve an electorate that is island-wide (and that is multi-cultural). I see enclaves as a key to securing: Free Association, Free Expression, Free Movement, because as Cypriots we would have these Rights. And, even if the "Green-Line" remains, it will no longer be a "border", but another frontier.

...dividing the island (as in separation) will not bring Peace, it is this hatred and endless cycle of revenge which must be willfully stopped. If we love Cyprus, it is Cyprus that comes first, it does not belong to "us" (read: "Greek"/"Turk"), we belong to it.
http://cyprus-mail.com/2013/08/14/maybe ... egotiated/

[Viewpoint]

Lordo & VP, you have not disproved anything I wrote. Nobody said that the 1960 agreements are not used by the GCs, at least the parts they see fit to run the RoC. The GCs will never go back to the 1960 agreements as it was. They will only do so if the 1960 agreements comply with the EU norms. That's why they have BBF as a back up, to negotiate anything and everything from scratch that will comply with the EU norms.

Finally you have seen the light of what we have been saying. Now get this in your scull, we at the current time do not have to do anything the EU tell us because they have absolutely no power in the TRNC (dont give me any crap about funding they can stick up their self serving arses) so when agreeing a new solution we have no problems adopting norms which do not water down or take away our rights or can be later challenged or changed or erased we will not accept them even if it means no solution...we will never place ourselves at risk for the sake of the EU forcing their "norms" upon us.

[repulsewarrior]

...vp, you sound like a "Greek".

[repulsewarrior]

...at best vp, you can hope that Greek Cypriots, since they are the overwhelming majority, of Cypriots, realise the value, as Persons, to have a "Greek" voice, and as Greeks, sustain "Greekness", within a Constituency; but in any case, their exists the Republic, and it represents its Citizens as Individuals, albeit in need of reform at the moment, but under a flag which is neither Greek, or Turkish; your Eroglu should be shaking hands with Erdogan in front of a Cypriot Flag, if they want to challenge "Greeks" (and the rest of the world) to change their thinking.

[Viewpoint]

...at best vp, you can hope that Greek Cypriots, since they are the overwhelming majority, of Cypriots, realise the value, as Persons, to have a "Greek" voice, and as Greeks, sustain "Greekness", within a Constituency; but in any case, their exists the Republic, and it represents its Citizens as Individuals, albeit in need of reform at the moment, but under a flag which is neither Greek, or Turkish; your Eroglu should be shaking hands with Erdogan in front of a Cypriot Flag, if they want to challenge "Greeks" (and the rest of the world) to change their thinking.

One day that may happen but for now the Cypriot flag is stolen property exclusively utilized by GCs by taking away our rights, until those rights are restored and a solution is found Eroğlu can shake hands in front of the TRNC flag.