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[Viewpoint]

The majority of provisions that you oppose in any new solution are only demanded because of mistrust between TCs and GCs, TCs take your demands as a rights to do as you wish as you did in the past and take away our rights forcing us into just another m

Vp..

Isn't this whole mess a catch 22..you state that the Tc don't trust the Gc, but for 40 years the Tc and Turkey have been using our lands, destroying our churches and desecrating our(Gc)cemeteries ...the list is endless..that's how the Gc see the Tc..what have the Tc leaders ever said about all this in the past and present that would make the Gc have faith in the Tc and Tutkey?...

We are not asking you to take a leap pf faith you have a numerical advantage and clear intent to remove our rights via 1960 agreements, we are not asking you to take a leap of faith and trust Turkey because Turkey as you demand will be gone.

But the new BBF removes everything in the 1960 agreements, does it not? Everything needs to be re-negotiated. Some things may stay the same and some things will not. It depends what the EU has to say about it, since Cyprus is in the EU.

We dont really give a shit what the EU says, we were never asked if we wanted to join nor do we have to apply their rules,but if we agree an overall solution and there are issues which we feel place at risk and it doesnt suit us then no go, deroggations and transition periods will be the name of the game.

[Kikapu]

The majority of provisions that you oppose in any new solution are only demanded because of mistrust between TCs and GCs, TCs take your demands as a rights to do as you wish as you did in the past and take away our rights forcing us into just another m

Vp..

Isn't this whole mess a catch 22..you state that the Tc don't trust the Gc, but for 40 years the Tc and Turkey have been using our lands, destroying our churches and desecrating our(Gc)cemeteries ...the list is endless..that's how the Gc see the Tc..what have the Tc leaders ever said about all this in the past and present that would make the Gc have faith in the Tc and Tutkey?...

We are not asking you to take a leap pf faith you have a numerical advantage and clear intent to remove our rights via 1960 agreements, we are not asking you to take a leap of faith and trust Turkey because Turkey as you demand will be gone.

But the new BBF removes everything in the 1960 agreements, does it not? Everything needs to be re-negotiated. Some things may stay the same and some things will not. It depends what the EU has to say about it, since Cyprus is in the EU.

We dont really give a shit what the EU says, we were never asked if we wanted to join nor do we have to apply their rules,but if we agree an overall solution and there are issues which we feel place at risk and it doesnt suit us then no go, deroggations and transition periods will be the name of the game.

It doesn't matter what you wanted or not, because the EU accepted the majority vote from Cyprus asking to join the EU. Once BBF was agreed to in the 70's, the 1960 agreements were no longer "in effect" where the TCs could veto any action that the RoC took. The TCs gave their consent to BBF did they not, just as you remind the GCs they giving their consent to the 1960 agreement that they did not like? Unfortunately for you, the GCs got out of the 1960 agreements by the TCs agreeing to BBF with their signature. The GCs can sit on the BBF solution forever without an agreement for a United Cyprus, because they don’t have to live by the 1960 agreements since the 70’s. The fact that majority of the TCs in Cyprus today are EU citizens through the RoC, invalidates any argument you make about the TCs not agreeing to join the EU, because the TCs actually approve the RoC being in the EU through their actions by accepting the RoC citizenship, hence the EU citizenship.

[Viewpoint]

Please provide the internationally signed and agreed BBF document (links), which erased the 1960 agreements as you claim in the above post?

[Kikapu]

Please provide the internationally signed and agreed BBF document (links), which erased the 1960 agreements as you claim in the above post?

The BBF agreement does not have a signed agreement that erases the 1960 agreement. The signing of the BBF agreement by default makes the 1960 agreement non & void, hence the reason why the RoC can do pretty much anything it wants without the TCs approval, such as becoming an EU member and also handling the Hydrocarbons as it sees fit and the world agrees with the RoC, do they not?

[Viewpoint]

Please provide the internationally signed and agreed BBF document (links), which erased the 1960 agreements as you claim in the above post?

The BBF agreement does not have a signed agreement that erases the 1960 agreement. The signing of the BBF agreement by default makes the 1960 agreement non & void, hence the reason why the RoC can do pretty much anything it wants without the TCs approval, such as becoming an EU member and also handling the Hydrocarbons as it sees fit and the world agrees with the RoC, do they not?

Its not legal, they have no legally binding document, internationally recognized document...they can only do what they want because they have control of the "RoC", so you effect your are a liar. A pretty good reason for not wanting a solution, why share when you can have it all inspite of the refugees.

[Kikapu]

Please provide the internationally signed and agreed BBF document (links), which erased the 1960 agreements as you claim in the above post?

The BBF agreement does not have a signed agreement that erases the 1960 agreement. The signing of the BBF agreement by default makes the 1960 agreement non & void, hence the reason why the RoC can do pretty much anything it wants without the TCs approval, such as becoming an EU member and also handling the Hydrocarbons as it sees fit and the world agrees with the RoC, do they not?

Its not legal, they have no legally binding document, internationally recognized document...they can only do what they want because they have control of the "RoC", so you effect your are a liar. A pretty good reason for not wanting a solution, why share when you can have it all inspite of the refugees.

As far as I know BBF has the UNSC approval, does it not? That is the legal framework that the BBF can be negotiated on and not on the 1960 agreements, which is why I said that the 1960 agreements were no longer "in effect", and they are not as far as the TCs are concerned, to have any effective say on what the RoC does, do they?

[Viewpoint]

Please provide the internationally signed and agreed BBF document (links), which erased the 1960 agreements as you claim in the above post?

The BBF agreement does not have a signed agreement that erases the 1960 agreement. The signing of the BBF agreement by default makes the 1960 agreement non & void, hence the reason why the RoC can do pretty much anything it wants without the TCs approval, such as becoming an EU member and also handling the Hydrocarbons as it sees fit and the world agrees with the RoC, do they not?

Its not legal, they have no legally binding document, internationally recognized document...they can only do what they want because they have control of the "RoC", so you effect your are a liar. A pretty good reason for not wanting a solution, why share when you can have it all inspite of the refugees.

As far as I know BBF has the UNSC approval, does it not? That is the legal framework that the BBF can be negotiated on and not on the 1960 agreements, which is why I said that the 1960 agreements were no longer "in effect", and they are not as far as the TCs are concerned, to have any effective say on what the RoC does, do they?

You are a liar.

[Kikapu]

Please provide the internationally signed and agreed BBF document (links), which erased the 1960 agreements as you claim in the above post?

The BBF agreement does not have a signed agreement that erases the 1960 agreement. The signing of the BBF agreement by default makes the 1960 agreement non & void, hence the reason why the RoC can do pretty much anything it wants without the TCs approval, such as becoming an EU member and also handling the Hydrocarbons as it sees fit and the world agrees with the RoC, do they not?

Its not legal, they have no legally binding document, internationally recognized document...they can only do what they want because they have control of the "RoC", so you effect your are a liar. A pretty good reason for not wanting a solution, why share when you can have it all inspite of the refugees.

As far as I know BBF has the UNSC approval, does it not? That is the legal framework that the BBF can be negotiated on and not on the 1960 agreements, which is why I said that the 1960 agreements were no longer "in effect", and they are not as far as the TCs are concerned, to have any effective say on what the RoC does, do they?

You are a liar.

VP has learned few new words today.

Why are you so worried? I thought you want BBF with Political Equality of the 2 states, so why do you care about all but defunct 1960 agreements?

[Viewpoint]

You are clearly back peddling when you should just come clean and apologies for the lies you have spread on this forum. You have been caught with your hand firmly lodged in the cookie jar, man will you go to no lengths to lick GC ass.

[Kikapu]

You are clearly back peddling when you should just come clean and apologies for the lies you have spread on this forum. You have been caught with your hand firmly lodged in the cookie jar, man will you go to no lengths to lick GC ass.

I'm telling you what you will be faced with. You just can't handle the truth, boy!