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[boulio]

Temporary only VP

[Viewpoint]

Temporary only VP

Take my word for it, if derrogations are necessary to clinch a deal you will have to accept them.

[boulio]

Don't think so VP only temporary

[Viewpoint]

Don't think so VP only temporary

Seeing there will never be a solution this is irrelevent.

[boulio]

Don't think so VP only temporary

Seeing there will never be a solution this is irrelevent.

That's fine in obscurity you remain.

[Kikapu]

How can I predict the future and what will and will consititute a demand for transitional periods or derrogation?

I always knew you didnt have a sense of humour.

The future you are talking about is today, because the sides are negotiating, so you must have some idea which transitional and derogations demands you want the EU to make. I'm simply asking you what those are today and not what they might be in a hundred years time.

If I didn't have a sense of humour I wouldn't even respond to your and Lordos' posts!

A solution will not be found today so debating issues that may not even be of concern when we are dead (future) doesnt really feel productive to me.

So you want the RoC and the EU to give you an unlimited Blank Cheques of Transitional periods and Derogations for the unforeseeable future. Is that what you are asking for?

[Oceanside50]

Venizelos was talking, inter alia, about improving relations between mainland Greece and Turkey and the need to strengthen ties to improve stability in the Eastern Mediterranean.

“Our firm position is that an agreed, comprehensive, viable, functional and just solution can be reached based on the resolutions of the U.N. Security Council and the European acquis. In the present phase, we are awaiting an exchange of proposals from both sides on all the issues in the talks, as has been agreed on. We also think it would be positive if there was a favourable response from the Turkish Cypriot and Turkish sides to the very constructive proposals made by Cypriot President [Nicos] Anastasiades for the adoption of confidence-building measures, with the focus on the opening of Famagusta,” he said.

Answer:
1) The European Acquis means Nothing to the Turkish Cypriots as the TRNC and Turkey are not part of this Club. Until turkey becomes a Full member of the EU, the EU Acquis is more of a distraction!

2) Any movement on the issue of the Varosha/Famagusta area will be part of a Comprehensive settlement and Not a confidence building measure.

3) The Turkish Cypriots have given their Proposals many times over in recent history; please refer to the Annan Plan 5 for the same list as it will not be much different to that. But, if you want to know, here it is:

a) A new united Cyprus must consist of Two Equal Federated/Constituent States.
b) All powers of the "Central" government are to be based on an Equal footing.
c) Turkey's Guarantor rights are to remain.

Any swaying on the above means Deadlock.

Thank you.

What everything should be based on is the rule of law not some jokers idea of a solution. The majority of the Annan plan was a joke. Where in the western world and in the heart of Europe does anyone see restrictions and derogations other then the joke Annan plan that wasn't even worth the paper it was printed on. Seeing the mention of the Annan plan as a solution is an insult to the intelligence of every western progressive citizen in this world. Try going back a few centuries and maybe you'll find someone that would take that plan seriously.

[Lordo]

and yet the europeans accepted it as basis for a solution. you really are like fish out of water.

[erolz66]

What everything should be based on is the rule of law not some jokers idea of a solution. The majority of the Annan plan was a joke. Where in the western world and in the heart of Europe does anyone see restrictions and derogations other then the joke Annan plan that wasn't even worth the paper it was printed on. Seeing the mention of the Annan plan as a solution is an insult to the intelligence of every western progressive citizen in this world. Try going back a few centuries and maybe you'll find someone that would take that plan seriously.

One might be given to think, based on the above description, that GC had no part at all in the creation of the Annan plan. That is was not drafted under the auspices of an body like the UN but by some 'bloody jokers' with no regard or understanding of the rule of law.

[Oceanside50]

What everything should be based on is the rule of law not some jokers idea of a solution. The majority of the Annan plan was a joke. Where in the western world and in the heart of Europe does anyone see restrictions and derogations other then the joke Annan plan that wasn't even worth the paper it was printed on. Seeing the mention of the Annan plan as a solution is an insult to the intelligence of every western progressive citizen in this world. Try going back a few centuries and maybe you'll find someone that would take that plan seriously.

One might be given to think, based on the above description, that GC had no part at all in the creation of the Annan plan. That is was not drafted under the auspices of an body like the UN but by some 'bloody jokers' with no regard or understanding of the rule of law.

Where in the UN charter or the European acquis does it state that tAking away rights like the right of due process for instance is acceptable?