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Is Turkey’s Partition Inevitable?

Postby Demonax » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:00 am

For Kurds, however, Turkey is the real prize. That is where the bulk of Kurds live, and southeastern Turkey remains an incubator of Kurdish culture. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan opened negotiations with Abdullah Öcalan, the imprisoned leader of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) which once waged an insurgency and terror campaign against the Turkish state. The PKK has accepted a ceasefire and temporarily laid down their arms. While Erdoğan has hinted that he will offer the Kurds a reform package ahead of the August presidential elections (for which he wants Kurdish support), history should not give the Kurds much confidence: every outreach Erdoğan has made to the Kurds has come against the backdrop of elections, and after elections have passed, Erdoğan reneges on his promises. Fool me once, fool me twice, but few Kurds are prepared to be fooled a third time, except perhaps against the backdrop of a fight.

Herein lies the problem: If Erdoğan makes good on his reforms to the Kurds, then it sets Turkey down the path toward federalism, the way-point for independence. Turks must also prepare for Öcalan’s release. They may consider Öcalan a terrorist, but Erdoğan has made him the indispensable man. There is simply no outcome that won’t see Öcalan released first from isolation, and then from prison entirely, at which point Kurds and many others will celebrate him as a Kurdish Mandela.

Demography, too, is in the Kurds’ favor. Erdoğan may hope that religious solidarity will trump nationalism, but this is a naïve hope. Turkish Kurds can smell a state, and with Iraqi Kurds on the verge of achieving that dream, there will be no denying Anatolian Kurds the same outcome. The map is changing. Turkey is celebrating its 90th anniversary. When it marks its centennial, however, expect the map of Turkey to be much different. When that happens, perhaps Turks can celebrate Erdoğan as their Sultan. The new Kurdistan, however, should put Erdoğan on their currency alongside Öcalan and Barzani as a man who made it happen.


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Re: Is Turkey’s Partition Inevitable?

Postby boomerang » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:07 am

why is it federalism a way point to independence?...I can never understand this point...unless they are talking confederation...

I live in a federal country and you do not see way point to independence...there is not even a discussion...the trick here is democracy...the federal state I live in can take better care of myself than the federal government can...
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Re: Is Turkey’s Partition Inevitable?

Postby erolz66 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:12 am

Maybe and who really cares ?

PS don't let kurupetos catch you reading such a 'zionist' media outlet ;)
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Re: Is Turkey’s Partition Inevitable?

Postby Demonax » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:36 am

boomerang wrote:why is it federalism a way point to independence?...I can never understand this point...unless they are talking confederation...

I live in a federal country and you do not see way point to independence...there is not even a discussion...the trick here is democracy...the federal state I live in can take better care of myself than the federal government can...


Very different situation to Australia! The writer is assuming, fairly by the looks of it, that there will be a Kurdish state in what was formerly northern Iraq. He's then assuming that a federal Turkish Kurdish state could well wish to break away from Turkey and unite with Kurdistan. And posing the question - is this inevitable?

It depends on how exactly Turkey is going to evolve into a bizonal federation as the logical outcome of a peace deal with the Turkish Kurds.

The issue then becomes, paradoxically, that in order to keep Turkey from disintegrating, just how far is Erdogan willing to offer the Turkish Kurds more autonomy. Too little autonomy and Kurds will be dissatisfied. Too much and Turkey splits into some kind of confederation that might then go its separate ways.

At the very least there will be a Kurdistan state and an autonomous Kurdish federal state as part of a bizonal Turkey. Pretty ironic, if you ask me.
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Re: Is Turkey’s Partition Inevitable?

Postby boulio » Fri Jul 04, 2014 4:05 am

Agree demonax what's even more ironic is come September ,Scotland votes to leave The UK.the authors of the annan plan didn't see that coming.chickens coming home to roost.
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Re: Is Turkey’s Partition Inevitable?

Postby erolz66 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:11 am

NDTV: US Opposes Independence Referendum For Iraqi Kurds. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwseHSoR8
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Re: Is Turkey’s Partition Inevitable?

Postby Nikitas » Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:27 pm

those that engineered the dissolution of Yugoslavia, the creation of Kossovo, despite the warnings, are now holding a hot potato. It might even get hotter if the Kurds are the only counterbalance to the new islamic insurgency in Iraq and Syria. Turkey had gone with the federalists and rushed to recognise Kossovo and the FYROM. Kossovo is directly comparable as a split off that has strong ethnic ties with neighboring Albania.

It will be fun to read the rhetoric of the coming months and see if it refers to "two states" and "two peoples" in the case of Kurds and Turks.
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Re: Is Turkey’s Partition Inevitable?

Postby yialousa1971 » Sat Jul 05, 2014 1:19 am

boulio wrote:Agree demonax what's even more ironic is come September ,Scotland votes to leave The UK.the authors of the annan plan didn't see that coming.chickens coming home to roost.


What GR is coming home to lay. :mrgreen:
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