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Re: Modern day Cypriot view of EOKA

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:10 am

Sotos wrote:Distance is irrelevant, but we are actually less than 300KM from the nearest Greek island, which is a short trip when you compare the distance of some UK islands for example.

Nobody jumps into a modern boat in the 21st century and heads for Greece… it’s just TOO FAR AWAY. You wouldn’t make it.

Even professional modern ferryboats have given up on this long journey let alone Greeks coming and going to Cyprus in 1000BC!!! :lol:

It’s beyond mythology mate… :lol:

The real Cypriots are Middle Eastern people, which is why we are mostly dark and could easily pass as Arabs.

Now whether or not you specifically come from Greece I have no idea… I believe you if you say so, but the natives of Cyprus have certainly not.
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Re: Modern day Cypriot view of EOKA

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:22 am

Just to give you an idea of nautical times/distances…

My wife’s uncle once offered to take us to Lattakia (Syria) in his luxury boat and we thought great! :D

If you look at a map it’s like "next door" to us! :wink:

So I asked… “How long is the journey uncle?” and he goes… “Ah not far it’s only 4-5 hours” and I’m like… “What? 4-5 hours just to get there? Are you kidding me???... I ain’t got that much time!”

So we didn’t go! :lol:

Now compare the distance to Latakia with that to Greece and turn the clock back by 3000 years…

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Modern day Cypriot view of EOKA

Postby Sotos » Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:19 pm

Get Real! wrote:Just to give you an idea of nautical times/distances…

My wife’s uncle once offered to take us to Lattakia (Syria) in his luxury boat and we thought great! :D

If you look at a map it’s like "next door" to us! :wink:

So I asked… “How long is the journey uncle?” and he goes… “Ah not far it’s only 4-5 hours” and I’m like… “What? 4-5 hours just to get there? Are you kidding me???... I ain’t got that much time!”

So we didn’t go! :lol:

Now compare the distance to Latakia with that to Greece and turn the clock back by 3000 years…

:lol: :lol: :lol:


And your point is? That Colombo never reached America because it was too far?
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Re: Modern day Cypriot view of EOKA

Postby boomerang » Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:33 pm

This your worst point sotos...you should have thought about this prior to posting it...
Here we go...

Are the places he discovered spanish?...because sure as hell the majority of sth america speak spanish... :lol: ...kinda you blew point away.... :lol:
Try thinking next time

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Get Real! wrote:Just to give you an idea of nautical times/distances…

My wife’s uncle once offered to take us to Lattakia (Syria) in his luxury boat and we thought great! :D

If you look at a map it’s like "next door" to us! :wink:

So I asked… “How long is the journey uncle?” and he goes… “Ah not far it’s only 4-5 hours” and I’m like… “What? 4-5 hours just to get there? Are you kidding me???... I ain’t got that much time!”

So we didn’t go! :lol:

Now compare the distance to Latakia with that to Greece and turn the clock back by 3000 years…

:lol: :lol: :lol:




And your point is? That Colombo never reached America because it was too far?
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Re: Modern day Cypriot view of EOKA

Postby kurupetos » Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:47 pm

1308_Nick wrote:That is the difficulty I am having in gaining a real grasp of EOKA's morals and their goals.

I have watched a few British documentaries on the subject and EOKA are branded as a terrorist group, Grivas is portrayed to be a character that failed in Greece on the political front and therefore turned to his home nation to make a name for himself. One Cypriot I have spoken to so far though partly agreed with the above, saying that Grivas brainwashed people in to following him and used them to murder innocent police officers, civilians that did not follow his cause as well as British soldiers.

I would be interested to hear from more Cypriots on this matter.

Thank you all for your contributions thus far.

Nick

Nick, I will give you a hint by asking... What do you think the American revolutionaries and George Washington were in the eyes of the British government during the American War for independence? :wink:

As Sotos said above, the Cypriots had every right to fight for freedom and unification with Greece, after they had requested union with Greece through negotations and referendums in the previous years (1930-1950).
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Re: Modern day Cypriot view of EOKA

Postby Nikitas » Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:35 pm

Grivas was a decorated officer of the Greek Army, he fought in the Asia Minor campaigns. His memoirs reveal the scope of the man, a brilliant tactician but definitely no strategist.

The Enosis campaign was a narrow focus demand which left no room for any other alternative, even if that other alternative was more beneficial to the Cypriots or even to Hellenism (as opposed to Greece, the two are not synonymous).

Greece had a strange attitude to the EOKA campaign, neither embracing nor disowning it. After independence the Greek approach was one of control to prevent some undefined "threat" from within, more than an external threat, ie Turkey. The USA approved of the Greek approach and encouraged it.

During the Junta years, 1967-1973 the slant was a rabid anticommunism, anyone who served in the National Guard during those years will know. The Junta, in its anticommunist delirium, could accept even double union if that meant keeping the communist threat at bay. Look at the "one woman two lovers" speech by Junta leader Papadopoulos. The Junta exploited both the leader of EOKA, Grivas, as well as the heroic image of the original EOKA of the 50s to create the anti communist EOKA-B. It is fascinating that during the EOKA-B subversion campaign of the early 70s there was no concern at all about a possible Turkish reaction, evidence of tha lack of strategic planning.

Looking at the process with the benefit of hindsight it is obvious that it lacked strategy, diplomacy, enlightenment and even plain cunning. Cypriot insistence on a one issue tack allowed all the others to use them.
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Re: Modern day Cypriot view of EOKA

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:49 pm

Sotos wrote:And your point is? That Colombo never reached America because it was too far?

Only problem is that Columbus was using 1500s technology and luxury for his travels, whereas your Greek mythology onto which everything you claim about being Greek etc hangs onto, relies on boats from 1000BC or 1500BC!

Err, I don’t think so mate…

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Modern day Cypriot view of EOKA

Postby Sotos » Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:45 pm

boomerang wrote:This your worst point sotos...you should have thought about this prior to posting it...
Here we go...

Are the places he discovered spanish?...because sure as hell the majority of sth america speak spanish... :lol: ...kinda you blew point away.... :lol:
Try thinking next time

Sotos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:Just to give you an idea of nautical times/distances…

My wife’s uncle once offered to take us to Lattakia (Syria) in his luxury boat and we thought great! :D

If you look at a map it’s like "next door" to us! :wink:

So I asked… “How long is the journey uncle?” and he goes… “Ah not far it’s only 4-5 hours” and I’m like… “What? 4-5 hours just to get there? Are you kidding me???... I ain’t got that much time!”

So we didn’t go! :lol:

Now compare the distance to Latakia with that to Greece and turn the clock back by 3000 years…

:lol: :lol: :lol:




And your point is? That Colombo never reached America because it was too far?


The majority of north American on the other hand is clearly of European decent, the same with Australia. So the argument that Greeks couldn't be in Cyprus because Cyprus is "too far" is clearly nonsense.
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Re: Modern day Cypriot view of EOKA

Postby Sotos » Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:50 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:And your point is? That Colombo never reached America because it was too far?

Only problem is that Columbus was using 1500s technology and luxury for his travels, whereas your Greek mythology onto which everything you claim about being Greek etc hangs onto, relies on boats from 1000BC or 1500BC!

Err, I don’t think so mate…

:lol: :lol: :lol:


You obviously are clueless about the abilities of 1500BC technology then. Here is an intro for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boat
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Re: Modern day Cypriot view of EOKA

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:46 pm

Sotos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:And your point is? That Colombo never reached America because it was too far?

Only problem is that Columbus was using 1500s technology and luxury for his travels, whereas your Greek mythology onto which everything you claim about being Greek etc hangs onto, relies on boats from 1000BC or 1500BC!

Err, I don’t think so mate…

:lol: :lol: :lol:


You obviously are clueless about the abilities of 1500BC technology then. Here is an intro for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boat

Hmm, let’s see what enlightenment you’ve got for us… :?

“A boat is a watercraft of any size designed to float or plane, to work or travel on water.”

:shock: Well I would’ve never known! Ok you got me Sotos! :cry:

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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