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[erolz66]

The mess we are today is created because of your constant invasions against my island and your refusal to ever let the Cypriot people free to take decisions for their own island in a peacefully democratic way. The alternative in taking decisions peacefully and democratically is trying to impose them by force... and this was your choice, not ours. As a minority you had the right for your human rights and maybe some minority rights but you had no right to determine on your own and against the majority about where Cyprus should and shouldn't belong. This was a COMPROMISE from our part, and it is a compromise we made in 1960 and it is only AFTER the 1960 agreements that your community had this legal right... not as a result of some international law that applies universally to all minorities but as a result of the specific agreements we signed in 1960. Now the question is why isn't this good enough for you? You have the legal right as you want it, and the majority of GCs don't even want enosis anymore anyway. So whats the problem with you? It is clear that you are not interested about a solution and the future, but you are just trying to find excuses to justify your crimes.

As I already said, this one simple thing, for you to accept that I have a right to resist the imposition of foreign rule on me in my own homeland against my wishes and with no consideration for my wishes, was too much for you to accept then and remains too much for you to accept today and this refusal is at the heart of why we are in the mess we are in today and why any chances of us resolving it remain remote. You can tell me I have no such right till you are blue in the face and you probably will but I refuse to accept that. It is my personal only 'red line'.

[Viewpoint]

My problem in what you say is that you define Greece as "foreign nation" to our "homeland". Please talk for yourself.

Who the fuck else do you think I am speaking for ? In any case from the minute Cyprus became an independent nation, Greece became by definition a foreign nation to it.

I have no problem if you say "foreign nation to me", or "foreign nation to my community",

Well whoop de fucking do - how gracious of you that you have no problem with me as a Cypriot and a TC claiming Greece is a foreign nation to me and my community. Am I supposed to thank you for this 'largess' on your part ?

Most Cypriots do not want enosis anymore anyway so if that was all you were asking then a solution would be easy.

You STILL do not get it do you ? I do not know if it is stupidity, obstinacy, denial or some combination or if you are just winding me up. The single simple thing I want is for you to accept that I had and have the RIGHT to not have my homeland and country given away to and ruled from and by (what is to me) a foreign nation against my will. If you had of been able to accept this then, then we would not be in the mess we are today. Yet even today it is not something you (personally) are willing to accept. Having it as a 'gift' is not good enough, being told 'do not worry about it we don't want it any more' is not good enough.

The mess we are today is created because of your constant invasions against my island and your refusal to ever let the Cypriot people free to take decisions for their own island in a peacefully democratic way. The alternative in taking decisions peacefully and democratically is trying to impose them by force... and this was your choice, not ours. As a minority you had the right for your human rights and maybe some minority rights but you had no right to determine on your own and against the majority about where Cyprus should and shouldn't belong. This was a COMPROMISE from our part, and it is a compromise we made in 1960 and it is only AFTER the 1960 agreements that your community had this legal right... not as a result of some international law that applies universally to all minorities but as a result of the specific agreements we signed in 1960. Now the question is why isn't this good enough for you? You have the legal right as you want it, and the majority of GCs don't even want enosis anymore anyway. So whats the problem with you? It is clear that you are not interested about a solution and the future, but you are just trying to find excuses to justify your crimes.

Are you for real or are you just trying to wind us up? you are dead horse no amount of flogging with get you up and running.

You are basically saying we can do what we wish and you dont count...it dont work that way, time you understood we are your partners equal partners.....after that you need to comprehend that without our yes you can never unite this island...lastly those agreements you signed but renegged on are basis for compromise between enosis and taksim which equals BBF. You reap what you sow and you sowed plenty from 1963-1974, if only you had praticed what you preach today you would not be in this situation today.

[Sotos]

The mess we are today is created because of your constant invasions against my island and your refusal to ever let the Cypriot people free to take decisions for their own island in a peacefully democratic way. The alternative in taking decisions peacefully and democratically is trying to impose them by force... and this was your choice, not ours. As a minority you had the right for your human rights and maybe some minority rights but you had no right to determine on your own and against the majority about where Cyprus should and shouldn't belong. This was a COMPROMISE from our part, and it is a compromise we made in 1960 and it is only AFTER the 1960 agreements that your community had this legal right... not as a result of some international law that applies universally to all minorities but as a result of the specific agreements we signed in 1960. Now the question is why isn't this good enough for you? You have the legal right as you want it, and the majority of GCs don't even want enosis anymore anyway. So whats the problem with you? It is clear that you are not interested about a solution and the future, but you are just trying to find excuses to justify your crimes.

As I already said, this one simple thing, for you to accept that I have a right to resist the imposition of foreign rule on me in my own homeland against my wishes and with no consideration for my wishes, was too much for you to accept then and remains too much for you to accept today and this refusal is at the heart of why we are in the mess we are in today and why any chances of us resolving it remain remote. You can tell me I have no such right till you are blue in the face and you probably will but I refuse to accept that. It is my personal only 'red line'.

We are going in circles What is "foreign rule" to you? Either you like it or not we are as much Greek as any other Greek. And I am talking about the real Greek Cypriots of Cyprus, not some English Cypriots, Australian Cypriots etc who frequent this forum. Isn't the "rule" of Greek Cypriots, the people that existed in Cyprus long before there was anything Turkish, also a "foreign rule" to you? Is it really different for you being citizens of Greece as an ethnic minority vs being citizens of Cyprus as an ethnic minority?

[repulsewarrior]

...sotos, if I get you right you are saying, you have to be Greek, to be Cypriot; is that it?

[Sotos]

...sotos, if I get you right you are saying, you have to be Greek, to be Cypriot; is that it?

No. What I am saying is that the majority of Cypriots are Greek and we have been so long before any Turks came to Cyprus.

[repulsewarrior]

...so?

[repulsewarrior]

...I mean, what has being Cypriot got to do with being Greek?

[erolz66]

What is "foreign rule" to you? Either you like it or not we are as much Greek as any other Greek. And I am talking about the real Greek Cypriots of Cyprus, not some English Cypriots, Australian Cypriots etc who frequent this forum. Isn't the "rule" of Greek Cypriots, the people that existed in Cyprus long before there was anything Turkish, also a "foreign rule" to you? Is it really different for you being citizens of Greece as an ethnic minority vs being citizens of Cyprus as an ethnic minority?

Can you really be that stupid Sotos ? Can you really not see the difference between being ruled From Nicosia by Cypriots (some of whom may or may not consider themselves Greek) and being ruled from Athens by Greeks the vast majority of which will have never even set foot in Cyprus ever ?

[Sotos]

What is "foreign rule" to you? Either you like it or not we are as much Greek as any other Greek. And I am talking about the real Greek Cypriots of Cyprus, not some English Cypriots, Australian Cypriots etc who frequent this forum. Isn't the "rule" of Greek Cypriots, the people that existed in Cyprus long before there was anything Turkish, also a "foreign rule" to you? Is it really different for you being citizens of Greece as an ethnic minority vs being citizens of Cyprus as an ethnic minority?

Can you really be that stupid Sotos ? Can you really not see the difference between being ruled From Nicosia by Cypriots (some of whom may or may not consider themselves Greek) and being ruled from Athens by Greeks the vast majority of which will have never even set foot in Cyprus ever ?

I can see the difference but the question is if that difference matters to TCs. Most TCs would not accept to be ruled by Athens by mostly Greeks (Greece is not made by 100% Greeks either), in the same way they would not accept to be ruled by Nicosia by mostly Greeks. Do you disagree with this?

[erolz66]

What is "foreign rule" to you? Either you like it or not we are as much Greek as any other Greek. And I am talking about the real Greek Cypriots of Cyprus, not some English Cypriots, Australian Cypriots etc who frequent this forum. Isn't the "rule" of Greek Cypriots, the people that existed in Cyprus long before there was anything Turkish, also a "foreign rule" to you? Is it really different for you being citizens of Greece as an ethnic minority vs being citizens of Cyprus as an ethnic minority?

Can you really be that stupid Sotos ? Can you really not see the difference between being ruled From Nicosia by Cypriots (some of whom may or may not consider themselves Greek) and being ruled from Athens by Greeks the vast majority of which will have never even set foot in Cyprus ever ?

I can see the difference but the question is if that difference matters to TCs. Most TCs would not accept to be ruled by Athens by mostly Greeks (Greece is not made by 100% Greeks either), in the same way they would not accept to be ruled by Nicosia by mostly Greeks. Do you disagree with this?

I do not speak for most TC - I speak for myself. Ruling Cyprus together with other Cypriots, whatever they consider themselves is acceptable to me. Being told I will be ruled by foreigners in my own homeland and that I have no right to any say is such a decision is not acceptable to me. Yet it was this you told me then and what you still try and tell me today. It is why, not solely but at the core of, we are in the situation we are in today and why it remains.