Sotos wrote:I've read the resolutions you refer to and say NOTHING of what you claim.
OK lets go through this slowly as clearly you are struggling here and seem to mysteriously have forgotten what it was that you and I actually claimed only a few posts above.
You claimed there were NO such resolutions at all. I claimed there were. Who was right and who was wrong about that Sotos ?
You claimed that if there had of been resolutions they would have 'given you exactly what you wanted' but for British veto. I claimed that Britain had no ability to veto UN General Assembly resolutions and that Greece had submitted a proposed resolution that had it been passed would have given you 'exactly what you wanted' and yet failed to get necessary support from other member states to get the resolutions passed. Who was right and who was wrong about that Sotos ?
Sotos wrote:They just maintain a neutral position obviously because most countries at the time wouldn't dare to go directly against the AngloAmericans and their interests.
Interesting that when a democratic majority vote does not give you 'everything that you want', as you previously claimed it surely would have but for a veto that does not even exist, there always seems to be some excuse as to why such democratic majority vote is not valid or legitimate in your eyes.
Sotos wrote:They still talk about a democratic solution and nothing about your minority having a separate self-determination right requiring something "atypical" or ANYTHING else justifying your claims.
Where did I EVER say that the resolutions passed talked specifically about us having a separate right to self-determination. The FACT is I never said that. What I said was and is entirely factually correct vs your total bollocks that you started with. Shall I remind you once more exactly what it was that you said that was total bollocks ?
andSotos wrote:The General Assembly never took a decision on this issue due to backstage diplomacy by UK/USA.
Sotos wrote:The ONLY reason that in the 50s we couldn't get exactly what we wanted from the UN was that the British Colonialists are members of the UN security council and they would use their veto for anything that went against them.
Both of these claims of yours (as with others made before) are simply just factually incorrect.
If you want I can quote representations from several different countries during these debates in the UN General Assembly that talk of the need for 'negotiations with the participation of the TWO Cypriot communities' (my emphasis). I genuinely have yet to find a single such representation other than those put by Greece that talks of a need 'only for a majority vote of Cypriots'. However it is clear that such effort would be wasted time on my part. You will not be swayed by evidence you will simply believe what you want to believe regardless of actual evidence.
Sotos wrote:The core of the Cyprus problem is that you keep invading us and refusing our freedom. It is not just what you did 100s of years ago. If you had invaded us once a couple of centuries ago and then never bother us again then we wouldn't have a problem today. But you never stopped attacking and oppressing us since then! And don't try to separate yourself from the other Turks when in all 400 years all you Turks have been one and the same when attacking us.
You are bordering on the insane Sotos. What else can I say to such a rant as the above. As ever when all else fails you return to the same old 'justifications' for everything. I am a Turk and I am no different from those ottomans that invaded and ruled Cyprus in 1571, four hundred and forty three years ago and all I have ever done and all I ever want to do is attack you and oppress you because I am Turk and you are Greek. It is simply not true but it does suit your needs to believe it. Your 'picture' of the history of Cyprus under Ottoman rule is a child's one of simple black and white, oppressor and oppressed with your community always the oppressed and mine the oppressor. Not only is this child's view not true of Cyprus in the 20th century it is not even true in the 16th, 17th 18th and 19th centauries either. The truth is much more complicated and much less convenient to you than what you choose to believe. Even in the 16th, 17th 18th and 19th centauries, the muslim Cypriots peasants that were the forebears of the TC community today had more in common with GC living in Cyprus then that they did with the Ottoman rulers of Cyprus, genetically , culturally and in terms of their experience of living in Cyprus under Ottoman rule. There are in fact ,many instances when GC and muslim Cypriots TOGEATHER revolted against Ottoman rule in Cyprus. For large parts of this period of Cypriot history one of the principal agents and supporters and indeed enforcers of Ottoman rule in Cyprus was a power hierarchy that included members of the Greek orthodox church empowered and sustained by the Ottoman rulers. In many ways the true history of 'oppressor' and 'oppressed' in Cyprus in this period was the same story told the world over throughout time, namely one of a tiny minority with power oppressing a large majority without it and as often as not in Cyprus this tiny minority with power , the oppressors, contained not JUST 'Ottomans' but also Cypriots - including GC, just as the large majority of oppressed included not JUST GC but also muslim Cypriots.
You will of course reject all the above , not because it is a less historically accurate 'picture' of the realties of 'oppressors and oppressed' in Cyprus from 1571 to 1878 than the one you 'paint', for it is not, but simply because of your need to believe in your picture of the past in order to justify your views today.
In any case Sotos I must stop this discussion with you for it threatens something very precious me to me and that is hope. I literally come away from these circular discussion with you having to repeat over and over in my head 'not all GC think like this'. I even find myself making excuses for you, telling myself that perhaps even you do not really believe some of the stuff you say here and like B25 you have some how been 'forced' into representing views that you do not really believe, and even go as far as wondering if I am in some way responsible for you saying things here you do not really believe by being to determined and dogged in my arguments. The truth is that , rightly or wrongly, I come away from these discussions with a palpable feeling from you of deep seated resentment and hatred for me and my community. There can be no hope for the future whilst such hatred exits and I can only withstand the withering effect it has on my soul for so long before I have to withdraw. So have your final say, as no doubt you will and must. Tell me again that I am not a Cypriot but a Turk and an oppressor of Cypriots and always have been and that there would be no hatred from you if I would just accept this and accept that my rights in Cyprus can only defined by such an acceptance. I am done here.
