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[zan]

zan were in the 1960 treaty does it say gc and tc communties are partners?

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/Treaties%20-1959-60.html

Think he is looking for a specific word erolz66, ie "partner". He's been watching too many Columbo films

[erolz66]

zan were in the 1960 treaty does it say gc and tc communties are partners?

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/Treaties%20-1959-60.html

Think he is looking for a specific word erolz66, ie "partner". He's been watching too many Columbo films

Well there are a lot of words that are not in the agreement, like 'minority' or 'native' to pick a couple of others at random but I am not sure what that proves. The agreement says what it says and its pretty clear and straight forward really as is Makarios' declaration in annex G for that matter.

[zan]

zan were in the 1960 treaty does it say gc and tc communties are partners?

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/Treaties%20-1959-60.html

Think he is looking for a specific word erolz66, ie "partner". He's been watching too many Columbo films

Well there are a lot of words that are not in the agreement, like 'minority' or 'native' to pick a couple of others at random but I am not sure what that proves. The agreement says what it says and its pretty clear and straight forward really as is Makarios' declaration in annex G for that matter.

I am sure he had not thought of that........yet

[boulio]

are you guys say ing that in the whole document the word partnership dosent exist?

[erolz66]

are you guys say ing that in the whole document the word partnership dosent exist?

I am not saying it - it is just a fact that the word 'partnership' is not in the document. So what ? Are YOU saying that because the word is not in there it somehow proves that the agreements that founded an independent Cypriot state were not based on a concept of 'partnership' and a degree of equality of the two communities ? I am sure you are not for doing so would hold about as much water as me arguing that the TC community are not a minority because the word minority does not exist in the document. If you want to play silly arse word games go ahead, I personally have little interest in such. The document says what it says and it is pretty plain and straight forward. It defines the agreed foundation for the final settlement of the problem of Cyprus and its foundation as an independent nation state.

[Pyrpolizer]

18% (GC proposed land to the Turkish Cypriots) and Majority
The Greek Cypriot argument on Territorial adjustment and Governmental (chapter) for any future Federal based Cyprus Settlement concerning "Majority Rule" and "Population" numbers is completely contrary to the ethos and establishment of EU Law; being that all 27 members are Equal! If that were the case, Greece would probably have almost No MEPS or Voting rights besides the likes of the UK, Germany, France, Italy, Spain.....and many more.

Turkey
Turkey is not in the EU, thus an agreement with an EU - based country without Turkey (without Guarantor to it) is futile! If Turkey were in the EU, then perhaps the subject of Guarantorship could be swayed, but at this moment in time, it's like asking America to give up its rights on the Hawaiian islands because it's not in Asia!


Your Comments are Welcome!

Which other Country in the world has "guarantors"?? Which other colony got "guarantors" after it was set free??
Not only is an insult for an EU State to have "guarantosr, Turkey constitutes a physical threat to our very existence. We'd rather stay as we are with no solution that have a solution in which Turkey will be our "guarantors".
How would you feel if you had Grivas for your quarantor/

[erolz66]

How would you feel if you had Grivas for your quarantor/

Been there and done that, lived in an 'independent' Cyprus where we had the likes of Grivas and Georjardis and others and 30,000 mainland Greek troops as well as the UN 'protecting' us and none of them prevented the ethnic based murder and persecution of innocent Cypriots.

[boulio]

30000 mailand greek troops?it was 8,000 and for a few years not like the 40,000 turkis hthat have been here for 40 years.

[boulio]

im sorry erolz but the tc were a minorty in the 1960 treaty numbers dont lie 82 does not equal 18.as for political equalitry by the un it means active particiopation of both communites in cypriot affairs not a partnership.

[Sotos]

are you guys say ing that in the whole document the word partnership dosent exist?

I am not saying it - it is just a fact that the word 'partnership' is not in the document. So what ? Are YOU saying that because the word is not in there it somehow proves that the agreements that founded an independent Cypriot state were not based on a concept of 'partnership' and a degree of equality of the two communities ? I am sure you are not for doing so would hold about as much water as me arguing that the TC community are not a minority because the word minority does not exist in the document. If you want to play silly arse word games go ahead, I personally have little interest in such. The document says what it says and it is pretty plain and straight forward. It defines the agreed foundation for the final settlement of the problem of Cyprus and its foundation as an independent nation state.

If you call that a "partnership" then you should also accept that the TCs were the "minor partners" or the "minority shareholders" of this "partnership". Those agreements can justify non of the demands you have today. The only demand that you can have based on those agreements is to return to exactly what is written in those agreements.