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[Sotos]

By definition a Greek rule can not be a foreign rule to Greeks.

And by definition it is foreign rule to Cypriots. Which is exactly the point. If you are or choose to be Greek then you are by definition NOT the same people as TC. The right to self determination applies to peoples. Read it, it is there in black and white. You want to both claim you are Greek and that union with Greece is the will of a unitary CYPRIOT people. This is your madness and the madness that has got us to the mess we are in today.

By your definition "Cypriot" rule must be foreign rule for "Paphians" then Sorry, but you got it wrong. "Cypriot" is NOT an ethnicity and before 1960 there was no country "Cyprus" either. "Greek" is an ethnicity. We are not the same people because you invaded an island which was the homeland of Greeks and you created in it a Turkish minority. That is what Turks did in most other Greek islands and mainland Greece... Cyprus is no different. You are the ones messing up Cyprus. We would be perfectly fine on our own had you not kept invading us.

[Viewpoint]

By definition a Greek rule can not be a foreign rule to Greeks.

And by definition it is foreign rule to Cypriots. Which is exactly the point. If you are or choose to be Greek then you are by definition NOT the same people as TC. The right to self determination applies to peoples. Read it, it is there in black and white. You want to both claim you are Greek and that union with Greece is the will of a unitary CYPRIOT people. This is your madness and the madness that has got us to the mess we are in today.

By your definition "Cypriot" rule must be foreign rule for "Paphians" then Sorry, but you got it wrong. "Cypriot" is NOT an ethnicity and before 1960 there was no country "Cyprus" either. "Greek" is an ethnicity. We are not the same people because you invaded an island which was the homeland of Greeks and you created in it a Turkish minority. That is what Turks did in most other Greek islands and mainland Greece... Cyprus is no different. You are the ones messing up Cyprus. We would be perfectly fine on our own had you not kept invading us.

For fucks sake you moron when was this island ever Greece? NEVER I applaud Erol for his patience with the shit you post. If you want to be part of Greece then go live there and leave us alone in our country Cyprus be it North or South.

[Sotos]

By definition a Greek rule can not be a foreign rule to Greeks.

And by definition it is foreign rule to Cypriots. Which is exactly the point. If you are or choose to be Greek then you are by definition NOT the same people as TC. The right to self determination applies to peoples. Read it, it is there in black and white. You want to both claim you are Greek and that union with Greece is the will of a unitary CYPRIOT people. This is your madness and the madness that has got us to the mess we are in today.

By your definition "Cypriot" rule must be foreign rule for "Paphians" then Sorry, but you got it wrong. "Cypriot" is NOT an ethnicity and before 1960 there was no country "Cyprus" either. "Greek" is an ethnicity. We are not the same people because you invaded an island which was the homeland of Greeks and you created in it a Turkish minority. That is what Turks did in most other Greek islands and mainland Greece... Cyprus is no different. You are the ones messing up Cyprus. We would be perfectly fine on our own had you not kept invading us.

For fucks sake you moron when was this island ever Greece? NEVER

Cyprus is the homeland of Greeks for thousands of years. So better talk for your own kind ... like tell us how was nomadic life in Mongolia

[erolz66]

"Cypriot" is NOT an ethnicity and before 1960 there was no country "Cyprus" either. "Greek" is an ethnicity. We are not the same people because you.

If there is no such thing as a Cypriot people and you are part of the Greek people then we are a separate people to you and we have under international law, a separate and equal right to self determination. Unless you now want to claim we are not even people.

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession by General Assembly resolution 2200A (XXI) of 16 December 1966
entry into force 3 January 1976, in accordance with article 27

Article 1

1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Note the word ALL there ? Note that it does not say only Greek peoples have the right to self determination ? Is the above article to complex for you to understand Sotos ? To ambiguous perhaps ? Are you really this stupid Sotos ? There is a reason why your leadership NEVER tried to claim enosis was the expression of the right to self determination of the Greek people of Cyprus and ALWAYS sought to claim it was a valid expression of the right to self determination of a unitary Cypriot people. Can you work out why this is Sotos ?

[Get Real!]

"Cypriot" is NOT an ethnicity and before 1960 there was no country "Cyprus" either. "Greek" is an ethnicity.

Of course it is! Cyprus and Cypriots have been around for many MILLENNIUMS before anything “Greek” showed up on the horizon!

Greece is just a 19th century baby on this planet.

[Get Real!]

Cyprus is the homeland of Greeks for thousands of years.

You’re posting out of your arse...

Not only is Greece less than 200 years old, but I have also proven to you dozens of times and in many ways, that Cyprus was an independent kingdom and not to mention that you have NEVER provided any evidence to back your ridiculous claims.

So, if you insist on playing silly buggers let me know and I’ll treat you with the contempt you deserve…

[Viewpoint]

By definition a Greek rule can not be a foreign rule to Greeks.

And by definition it is foreign rule to Cypriots. Which is exactly the point. If you are or choose to be Greek then you are by definition NOT the same people as TC. The right to self determination applies to peoples. Read it, it is there in black and white. You want to both claim you are Greek and that union with Greece is the will of a unitary CYPRIOT people. This is your madness and the madness that has got us to the mess we are in today.

By your definition "Cypriot" rule must be foreign rule for "Paphians" then Sorry, but you got it wrong. "Cypriot" is NOT an ethnicity and before 1960 there was no country "Cyprus" either. "Greek" is an ethnicity. We are not the same people because you invaded an island which was the homeland of Greeks and you created in it a Turkish minority. That is what Turks did in most other Greek islands and mainland Greece... Cyprus is no different. You are the ones messing up Cyprus. We would be perfectly fine on our own had you not kept invading us.

For fucks sake you moron when was this island ever Greece? NEVER

Cyprus is the homeland of Greeks for thousands of years. So better talk for your own kind ... like tell us how was nomadic life in Mongolia

My kind??? man you dont have a clue Im a Cypriot whos heritage goes back hundreds of years on this island. You cannot make this island Greek is was your biggest mistake in the past yet you continue with same ill fated mentality today, Cyprus is Cyprus not Greece not Turkey....CYPRUS.

[Get Real!]

Where was this Greek "ETHNOS" prior to the 1820s so as to have acquired an ethnicity for its people? Up Jack’s arse picking the gooseberries that’s where!

But Cyprus being an island has been around since the beginning of time thanks to its constant NATURAL shape which also doubles as its border and therefore…

ALWAYS AN ETHNOS

…and its location, outline, and inhabitants always known to everyone on the planet !

[Demonax]

Where was this Greek "ETHNOS" prior to the 1820s so as to have acquired an ethnicity for its people?

One of the most facile comments I have ever read on this forum. And that's saying something...

[Sotos]

"Cypriot" is NOT an ethnicity and before 1960 there was no country "Cyprus" either. "Greek" is an ethnicity. We are not the same people because you.

If there is no such thing as a Cypriot people and you are part of the Greek people then we are a separate people to you and we have under international law, a separate and equal right to self determination. Unless you now want to claim we are not even people.

International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights

Adopted and opened for signature, ratification and accession by General Assembly resolution 2200A (XXI) of 16 December 1966
entry into force 3 January 1976, in accordance with article 27

Article 1

1. All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.

Note the word ALL there ? Note that it does not say only Greek peoples have the right to self determination ? Is the above article to complex for you to understand Sotos ? To ambiguous perhaps ? Are you really this stupid Sotos ? There is a reason why your leadership NEVER tried to claim enosis was the expression of the right to self determination of the Greek people of Cyprus and ALWAYS sought to claim it was a valid expression of the right to self determination of a unitary Cypriot people. Can you work out why this is Sotos ?

The Turkish people already have their self-determination you idiot! They have it in Turkey where they are the MAJORITY. Are you really so stupid to believe that wherever there is Turkish MINORITY that this minority has self-determination right?

Turkish people (Turkish: Türkler) are a Turkic ethnic group speaking Turkish and primarily living in Republic of Turkey, and in the former lands of the Ottoman Empire where Turkish minorities have been established. Indeed, the Turkish minorities are the second largest ethnic groups in Bulgaria and Cyprus. In addition, as a result of modern migration, a Turkish diaspora has been established, particularly in Western Europe (see Turks in Europe), where large communities have been formed in Austria, Belgium, France, Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland and the United Kingdom. There are also Turkish communities living in Australia, the former Soviet Union and North America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_people

The Greeks (Greek: Έλληνες Ellines [ˈelines]) are an ethnic group native to Greece, Cyprus, Anatolia, Southern Italy and other regions. They also form a significant diaspora, with Greek communities established around the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks

What you wrote is something that would apply to the Kurds who are the majority in Kurdistan but they are refused their self-determination right. The Kurds are "The world's largest nation without a state"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 92440.html

But hey... if you want to MISINTERPRET the resolution that you posted... still no problem to me. Give to the Greek minority in Turkey EVERYTHING you demand for your Turkish minority in Cyprus and I will gladly accept the deal! NO double standards from us! So yes erolz... note the ALL! Principles should apply universally to ALL ... not to interpret the same thing in different ways as it suits you!