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[miltiades]

" I hate conspiracy theories""
Whats this then " America Formed the EU "

[zan]

" I hate conspiracy theories""
Whats this then " America Formed the EU "

You can't be drunk this time of the morning FFS

I haven't got time for basic history lessons Milti. I was talking to the educated

[miltiades]

" I hate conspiracy theories""
Whats this then " America Formed the EU "

You can't be drunk this time of the morning FFS

I haven't got time for basic history lessons Milti. I was talking to the educated

1945 - 1959
A peaceful Europe – the beginnings of cooperation

The European Union is set up with the aim of ending the frequent and bloody wars between neighbours, which culminated in the Second World War. As of 1950, the European Coal and Steel Community begins to unite European countries economically and politically in order to secure lasting peace. The six founders are Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg and the Netherlands. The 1950s are dominated by a cold war between east and west. Protests in Hungary against the Communist regime are put down by Soviet tanks in 1956; while the following year, 1957, the Soviet Union takes the lead in the space race, when it launches the first man-made space satellite, Sputnik 1. Also in 1957, the Treaty of Rome creates the European Economic Community (EEC), or ‘Common Market’.

The Founding Fathers of the EU

The following visionary leaders inspired the creation of the European Union we live in today. Without their energy and motivation we would not be living in the sphere of peace and stability that we take for granted. From resistance fighters to lawyers, the founding fathers were a diverse group of people who held the same ideals: a peaceful, united and prosperous Europe. Beyond the founding fathers described below, many others have worked tirelessly towards and inspired the European project. This section on the founding fathers is therefore a work in progress."

Now, where does America come ???
A conspiracy theory mate, you love them !

http://europa.eu/about-eu/eu-history/index_en.htm

[Tim Drayton]

Then ... consider the following.
These foreign jihadists are travelling to Turkey and then calmly walking over the border to Syria! Remember that Turkey is pretty much a US client state and the current Islamist regime there has been installed in part to do America's bidding in the region. These people, speaking no Turkish or Kurdish and knowing nothing about the country's transport system manage to travel to a very remote and inaccessible part of the country and casually walk across an international border. A border in an area that has been the scene of a low-grade, dirty civil war for decades - even though there is a shaky cease fire on at the moment - and is crawling with Turkish troops and security forces. A couple of years ago there was a scandal because a group of smugglers crossing back into the Kurdish region of Turkey were all summarily shot dead by Turkish soldiers as they were crossing. Yet it seems these jihadists can cross with impunity. There are already small pieces of circumstantial evidence appearing in the Turkish press about links between ISIL and the Turkish government, although nothing substantive has yet been unearthed.
There is more to this than meets the eye, folks.

Perhaps Turkey fully supports the ....holy war ie: : a war that is fought to defend or spread one group's religious beliefs.

I detest immensely any action by any group that has as its driving force a false god, be it Allah, God or any other fictitious name. If god was to demoted in the ME peace will spread so fast, that will be the time of the real Arab awakening when god is put in its place, mythology.

There are two logical possibilities as I see it:

1 - Turkey is America's poodle: if so, America wants these kids to go to Iraq.
2 - Turkey is (no longer) America's poodle, i.e. it has slipped the leash and is acting independently: if so, the current Turkish regime wants these kids to go to Iraq.

[zan]

" I hate conspiracy theories""
Whats this then " America Formed the EU "

You can't be drunk this time of the morning FFS

I haven't got time for basic history lessons Milti. I was talking to the educated

Not the best source but it does have links to the Truman Doctrine and the Marshal Plan Milti so as I have put aside a few minutes for you……..Take the time to read and absorb how much money the USA put in to the forming of the EU and why. I believe it had full control over germany after the WW2….

[Tim Drayton]

There were also reports in the Turkish press a couple of years ago about the network that is moving jihadists through Turkey and on into Syria and Iraq, using flats and houses at convenient locations made available by wellwishers to accommodate these kids as they pass through the country. If the press managed to pick up on this, then the Turkish police and intelligence authorities must certainly know about it - or if not, they surely read the newspapers. If they had wanted to, they could have put a stop to it.

[zan]

There were also reports in the Turkish press a couple of years ago about the network that is moving jihadists through Turkey and on into Syria and Iraq, using flats and houses at convenient locations made available by wellwishers to accommodate these kids as they pass through the country. If the press managed to pick up on this, then the Turkish police and intelligence authorities must certainly know about it - or if not, they surely read the newspapers. If they had wanted to, they could have put a stop to it.

They were also interviewed and let go from the UK Tim……….Last nights news.

[Tim Drayton]

Zan, I agree. Given the decades of bloody conflict between Kurds inside Turkey and the Anakara regime, it is bizarre to see the way that Barzani comes to Ankara and gets the red carpet treatment and then Turkish officials are feted when they go to Iraqi Kurdistan.
In a nutshell, the following report sums up what it is all about:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-2 ... -fray.html

An independent Kurdistan gets all the oil in the north of Iraq, a regional minnow with no real chance of sticking up for itself, and the oil goes by pipeline to Turkey and Turkey gets lots of sweeteners in the form of lucrative business deals as the oil infrastructure is built in Iraqi Kurdistan, Turkey having plenty of metal bashing and civil engineering companies. I bet US oil companies end up running the show and paying a little in royalties to the Kurdish regime, enough to keep the people's living standards higher than that of people in central ex-Iraq.

[zan]

Zan, I agree. Given the decades of bloody conflict between Kurds inside Turkey and the Anakara regime, it is bizarre to see the way that Barzani comes to Ankara and gets the red carpet treatment and then Turkish officials are feted when they go to Iraqi Kurdistan.
In a nutshell, the following report sums up what it is all about:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-2 ... -fray.html

An independent Kurdistan gets all the oil in the north of Iraq, a regional minnow with no real chance of sticking up for itself, and the oil goes by pipeline to Turkey and Turkey gets lots of sweeteners in the form of lucrative business deals as the oil infrastructure is built in Iraqi Kurdistan, Turkey having plenty of metal bashing and civil engineering companies. I bet US oil companies end up running the show and paying a little in royalties to the Kurdish regime, enough to keep the people's living standards higher than that of people in central ex-Iraq.

Thanks Tim. It has to make sense. There is still one thing that bothers me and that is Abraham Lincoln's "You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time". How much control has this movement got. It really does beggar belief.

[boomerang]

the war now has moved from west on islam to islam on islam...the infighting will start soon...don't worry about that...

50% of turks today are secularist and reject islam...or any cali what ever...you can see different opinions of turks here
http://www.network54.com/Forum/248068/
the secularist are staunch supporters of the ataturk doctrine...trouble brewing as we speak...
and it will not be long before you see infighting..either in turkey of around turkey...and as always innocents will pay, as we saw with gazi...

the way I see it is turkey is being set up one way or another...if it succeeds all good, if it don't there will be a price to be paid...and some one is gonna pay, this I am certain...there is always a fall guy...

erdie is be friending the kurds so he can get the presidency...that's all...also he is being religated to biden as Obama won't take his calls no anymore...

and tim there were incidents where the local cops busted the MIT trucks entering Syria with weapons not so long ago...

@zan
the USA does not give 2 hoots about united states of whatever...they are looking after their own interests...if it came to the oil running out they will keep it for themselves...fuck the EU...this was evident when they asked the UK, their main lap dog, when the UK was asked to leave Iraq...without getting anything in return...

unfortunately for them Russia is a spoiler and china can easily sign off on all the Russian gas and oil...without a drop to the EU...this the EU is well aware, but today can do nothing...

the only thing the US is good at creating is rivals...look at china for example...because today the US is run by big business in search for higher profits all the money ended in china...strange huh?..

I can see one day protectionism coming back...only way for the US to re-insert her power...maybe this is where I can see turkey being a pivotal point within the EU...

well i had a few vat69 scotches already anyway...run out of zivania...