Tim Drayton wrote:zan wrote:You are over simplifying it Paphitis. The biggest problem is the entire region and the void the west has left for them to fight over it.
There have been no droids or bombings according to news tonight. It is not that simple.
Of course, there is more to this than meets the eye. Notice the way that ISIL and the de facto Kurdish regime in the north of Iraq seemed to have reached such an easy consensus as to where the border between them lies. Notice the way that the Kurds were able to annex oil-rich Kirkuk with hardly a shot fired, whereas the areas that ISIL is capturing are devoid of any serious resources. I am reminded of the rumours in 1974 about a map of Cyprus supposedly given to Turkey showing the territory that they were allowed to take.
Let me start with a bold statement and say, I hate conspiracy theories. Then let me destroy that by saying; I have a mind that asks why am I made to hate them? Is there something that is making me do this?
I have to start from somewhere near the middle because that is what made me suspicious in the first place. The Mavi Marmaris incident. Why? So I looked for the trigger. I went back a week or two and found the big news was Obama was to pull his troops out of Iraq.(I won't keep adding the word "Why" so keep it in your head) Had Turkey been promised something and by pulling out the troops the USA was not delivering and Turkey had to make the point that if it was not seen through, then she would make it hell for Israel, who was under the protection of the Americans? I then started reading articles here and there about how the Muslim world was better under the Ottomans Caliphate. How strange and random to see this in daily newspapers. It then sort of made sense as to why the Turkish Army was dealt such a heavy blow (Ataturk's secularism being the only thing in the way) and why Erdogan was acting as if he was already the new Caliph. Was there more? Why was Erdogan starting to get on with the Kurds and why had the Kurds given up so quickly? In my mind, they had all been promised land or a solution after Iraq was settled. The EU is not the main objective of Turkey anymore, if ever, but the new leader in a more EU like Muslim region hence the reforms by Turkey, to lead the way and who has also been promised a solution in Cyprus and Lebanon. America Formed the EU and was now trying to do the same with the middle east. Turkey was prime for this as it was seen as a secular Muslim country. Of course Erdogan gets way ahead of himself when he is not quite filling the quota of getting control in a certain time line and starts to arrest journalists and generals and becomes an uber muslim to win over more radical countries that don't think Turkey is muslim enough. All this does is polarise most of his people against him so he has to go. He now has two super powers that don't want him there. Russia because of the gas pipe( Which I broke down on another thread). This is what happens to arrogant leaders who try to play one super power against the other but he is not the only one. So the plan was, no more Kurdish problem for Turkey and a Caliphate (maybe being just a carrot for a power crazy Erdogan) with a Muslim Union. Sorted!!! But what about Cyprus? Well, Nicos, having been an Annan Plan supporter, would do the trick and gets elected. He takes a trip to Russia and it all changes. He now has two types of pressure on his head. Russia for economic reasons and the Orthodox Church for archaic reasons. Although Greece tries to make out it does not want anything to do with Cyprus she is the GCs biggest backer so all of a sudden both economies take a nosedive. Russia still backing the 'RoC" but only to a point where the status quo continues and Cyprus makes a miraculous recovery (LOL).
I know the picture is not quite complete and I probably have got a few facts wrong but I have to ask why the USA is doing all this. Are they the saints they portray themselves to be and are genuinely concerned for the middle east and want to bring about the stability that the EU enjoys? Well, for me, in comes the phone tapping and the UK. The UK, the open door to the EU for American business and why the UK is not quite getting along with the rest of the EU. Germany and France, having the biggest interest, trying to stem the massive flow of American muscle that the UK is allowing with Turkey to be the open door to the middle east. Who knew about all this? The people that tapped the phones…..Coulson in particular who was then taken under Cameron's wing so as not to blow the whistle and stitched up good and proper, in time. I mean, who is now going to believe a convicted criminal. BBC controlled, Murdock's wings clipped and the rest of the news papers are just as useful as a chocolate fireguard. Control from one end of the globe to another with world leaders "gunned down" in the streets like the mafia shooting of the 1930s. I mean, what makes a man like Osama Bin Laden, who went to school with some of these guys do what he did? Maybe he knew too much?
This is one side of the coin with a whole heap on the other with Russian interests. I won't bore with any more (Thank you in advance to those who will say I have done that already
) What with Special Agent Kikapu and Miltiades in mind
