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[miltiades]

Britain is obviously a good place to live in, judging by the number of foreigners from all corners of the world who have made it their home.

Foreigners who have contributed nothing to the economy still enjoy welfare benefits that the rest of the people are entitled to.

On balance, the UK is the paradise of the third world as well as to those of impoverished eastern European countries. Not everything is perfect, no such thing as utopia but thousands upon thousands risk their lives to come to this country by any means.

I have always believed strongly that those who on their own accord made the move to the UK have a duty to blend in and embrace the nation that has offered them sanctuary, hope, peace and freedom as well as numerous benefits that in their own countries could only dream about.

I have embraced this nation, although I'm a Cypriot through and through.

I reiterate that I have never experienced any form of racism directed against my person, I do not have a chip on my shoulder as you no doubt have.

I criticize many aspects of life in the UK just as any other citizen does from time to time. I hold a well balanced view and Im a realist, I also despise those that have come here from inferior cultures and try and alter ours. We have freedom of choice, we believe or we do not, we marry who we like, we are not restricted and constrained in age old chains, we progress in every way and prefer life to death.
As for this comment of yours, I can see how distorted your poor brain is " You don't give a moments thought for the phychological effects on children that then think it necessary to go half way around the world to get themselves killed. "

Are you really suggesting that these "children" should be considered by me and others ? They are sick individuals , prisoners who have been mentally raped with distorted ideologies, they are misguided and above all bloody useless to the UK society,they should be prosecuted and where possible kicked out. Shit like these the UK does not need.

[zan]

Britain is obviously a good place to live in, judging by the number of foreigners from all corners of the world who have made it their home.

Foreigners who have contributed nothing to the economy still enjoy welfare benefits that the rest of the people are entitled to.

On balance, the UK is the paradise of the third world as well as to those of impoverished eastern European countries. Not everything is perfect, no such thing as utopia but thousands upon thousands risk their lives to come to this country by any means.

I have always believed strongly that those who on their own accord made the move to the UK have a duty to blend in and embrace the nation that has offered them sanctuary, hope, peace and freedom as well as numerous benefits that in their own countries could only dream about.

I have embraced this nation, although I'm a Cypriot through and through.

I reiterate that I have never experienced any form of racism directed against my person, I do not have a chip on my shoulder as you no doubt have.

I criticize many aspects of life in the UK just as any other citizen does from time to time. I hold a well balanced view and Im a realist, I also despise those that have come here from inferior cultures and try and alter ours. We have freedom of choice, we believe or we do not, we marry who we like, we are not restricted and constrained in age old chains, we progress in every way and prefer life to death.
As for this comment of yours, I can see how distorted your poor brain is " You don't give a moments thought for the phychological effects on children that then think it necessary to go half way around the world to get themselves killed. "

Are you really suggesting that these "children" should be considered by me and others ? They are sick individuals , prisoners who have been mentally raped with distorted ideologies, they are misguided and above all bloody useless to the UK society,they should be prosecuted and where possible kicked out. Shit like these the UK does not need.

Not that I think you know but………….What is it that you want from these people? Blend in! How? Removal of the headscarf suit you? What about the next guy that wants more? Or is it "The world according to Miltiades"? All I see is Asian people working 24 hours a day making a living for themselves. On the council estates the vast majority of people living off the state are white. You have no idea and again are quoting from rubbish news papers. I cant really put too much blame on these white people because they are uneducated to the point of needing medical help. It is a social illness that some people say is designed to keep the poor oppressed. The eastern europeans use the council flats as temporary place to stay and soon move on and soon have mortgages so who exactly are you talking about? Of course there are those that cheat the system but the foreigners have been taught well. First it was the Jews that taught the Greek and Turkish Cypriots how to cheat the system and avoid VAT who then taught the Asian people. I think you know what I mean with company directors bankrupting a company every six months and then opening a new company the very next day on the same premises. Can you say that your shop pays everything it owes? I can because I have had the mother of all audits recently and they found nothing because there was nothing to find. Now its GCs and TCs in dry cleaning shops that do not declare for VAT and the government is after them. This tax witch hunt is so hypocritical because the government has known about it for decades but it all depends who is doing it and how they come after them. Creative accounting is what they laughingly call it. So what is it that you want? I worked in Dagenham for years, on and off, and when I first went there it was an all white area with most on the dole. I witnessed the first black and Asian families moving in and the resistance they had to deal with. I saw them as the first pioneers taming the wilderness and it was not easy for them so how do they just blend? Now its a miss mash of people with again little or no money so who is to blame? It is strange to see black and Asian families walking along looking as bad as the white people that lived there before them so I would say that is one place they have blended……For the worse.


I have no chip on my shoulder. I am a Brit and as a Brit I expect more from my country. I don't blame others for my failings in a jingoistic brainless way. I want what was promised to me whilst growing up and being educated in the UK. A British sense of fair play.


I have already said that these children should NOT be allowed back in the country. What I asked you to do is think about what caused it so we can possibly avoid it in the future.



OH! If you are brave enough……Get yourself down to Dagenham to the Heathway just near the junction with Church Elm Lane. There is a seat opposite the Mall. Take a seat and observe for a few hours. Who knows…..The old dog might learn something………………….And stop listening to Nick Ferrari on LBC as well. He IS the SUN personified He worked for them after all

[miltiades]

" I have already said that these children "
Children ??? What a bloody plonker you are !!!

"Mr Bahjat estimated there were now 4,000 foreign fighters ( CHILDREN ACCORDING TO ZAN THE MORON ) with Isis, of whom 400 to 450 were British, including one who was killed last week in fighting in Jalawla, near the Iranian border"

"He warned that they, THE ...CHILDREN )and the Isis leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, were now a greater threat to western countries than that posed by Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda in 2001. “Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is now something Bin Laden could only dream of being,” he said."

Are you for real or a complete and utter fool. Children, my arse

[Tim Drayton]

I find myself in a moral quandary. I have nothing but admiration for the young foreigner volunteers who went off to fight on the Republican side in the Spanish civil war. In fact, the dad of one of the kids I went to school with had done just that. The reason I admire them is because I can identify with and support the cause they fought for. On the other hand, the extreme version of Sharia law that these kids - and and expert on the BBC's Today radio programme this morning estimated that there are about 500 of them from the UK - have gone to fight for is odious to me, so I find what they are doing to be reprehensible. Voltaire said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it," and this makes me stop and think.

On the other hand, when I see footage of ISID people playing football with the skull of a person they executed for being Shiite - whom they consider to be heretics and thus liable to execution under Sharia law - I feel nauseous. Nobody who commits such acts deserves any pardon whatsoever, but you cannot automatically jump to the conclusion that all of the fighters out there are engaged in such heinous conduct.

[zan]

" I have already said that these children "
Children ??? What a bloody plonker you are !!!

"Mr Bahjat estimated there were now 4,000 foreign fighters ( CHILDREN ACCORDING TO ZAN THE MORON ) with Isis, of whom 400 to 450 were British, including one who was killed last week in fighting in Jalawla, near the Iranian border"

"He warned that they, THE ...CHILDREN )and the Isis leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, were now a greater threat to western countries than that posed by Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda in 2001. “Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is now something Bin Laden could only dream of being,” he said."

Are you for real or a complete and utter fool. Children, my arse

Back to being a prick hey Milti

I use one word you use another and that is your only response. Get back to your coffee shop if you can't have an intelligent conversation. Your tiny little group appreciates your jingoistic crap I am sure. Probably laugh behind your back the minute they leave. There's no fool like an old fool backstabbing EOKA THUG.


Oh I get it...... .... It's the tax thing huh!

[zan]

I find myself in a moral quandary. I have nothing but admiration for the young foreigner volunteers who went off to fight on the Republican side in the Spanish civil war. In fact, the dad of one of the kids I went to school with had done just that. The reason I admire them is because I can identify with and support the cause they fought for. On the other hand, the extreme version of Sharia law that these kids - and and expert on the BBC's Today radio programme this morning estimated that there are about 500 of them from the UK - have gone to fight for is odious to me, so I find what they are doing to be reprehensible. Voltaire said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it," and this makes me stop and think.

On the other hand, when I see footage of ISID people playing football with the skull of a person they executed for being Shiite - whom they consider to be heretics and thus liable to execution under Sharia law - I feel nauseous. Nobody who commits such acts deserves any pardon whatsoever, but you cannot automatically jump to the conclusion that all of the fighters out there are engaged in such heinous conduct.

It is the result of intelligent thinking Tim and I feel the same way. The young lad that spoke on LBC who new people who were going out there and tried to persuade them not to, was a child. He sounded no different to any " you na wat I min" youth. Have you seen the film " Three lions" ? Not much better but he made the decision not to go and persuaded one other. If we as adults can't make up our minds then what chance do they have. We can I suppose close our eyes and go all jingoistic like Milti but I think I'd need a lobotomy as well.

[miltiades]

A very good post Tim , as always.

Zan, your aversion with the West becomes clearer with every post you make.

You fully support these ....children, you will jump to their defense regardless of what hideous inhumane act they commit, because they are ...children.

This thread is about the dangers faced by returning jihadists, EOKA has no relevance here.

You are a sick individual laden down by a very heavy chip on your shoulders, I cant help you I'm afraid, all that I can do is to suggest you become a ...chaperon for these ....children.
You Plonker !¬

[miltiades]

Just see what these ...children get up to according to the psycho by the name of Zan !!!!
Marauding ISIS militia beheading their way to Baghdad: How jihadist group so extreme even al-Qaeda has distanced itself threatens to take Iraq three years after America left

Fighters from Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (Isis) took two Iraqi cities
Mosul and Tikrit in the north of the country have fallen in the past few days
Isis used to be part of al-Qaeda terror network, but was cast out this year
al-Qaeda's leader Ayman al-Zawahiri condemned attacks on other jihadists
He distanced al-Qaeda from the group, and said he ordered them to stop
Isis is led by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who used to be a prisoner of the U.S.
He is their second-most-wanted man, with a price of $10million on his head
Some estimates state Isis has more than 10,000 men, many from the West
Organisation draws resources from Syria - and is closing in on rich oil fields
Isis controls city of Raqqa, Syria - and has been pictured crucifying enemies "

These are the children that this complete and utter IDIOT refers to. Get lost you stupid man !!!

[zan]

A very good post Tim , as always.

Zan, your aversion with the West becomes clearer with every post you make.

You fully support these ....children, you will jump to their defense regardless of what hideous inhumane act they commit, because they are ...children.

This thread is about the dangers faced by returning jihadists, EOKA has no relevance here.

You are a sick individual laden down by a very heavy chip on your shoulders, I cant help you I'm afraid, all that I can do is to suggest you become a ...chaperon for these ....children.
You Plonker !¬

And you are tax fiddling EOKA scum who is just about drunk by now I have not defended them for the umpteenth time. They do not deserve to come back to this country. What is it you do not understand about that? It will be a reminder to others that are thinking of going that once they go there will be no refuge for them in this country. FFS. Our part in this must be taken into consideration so we do not do it again. I am not a blind patriot like you calling them scrounges without a clue what I am talking about. Sorry to rock your patriotic boat now that we not only know you killed British soldiers but are now avoiding tax. How patriotic can you get

[Tim Drayton]

I find myself in a moral quandary. I have nothing but admiration for the young foreigner volunteers who went off to fight on the Republican side in the Spanish civil war. In fact, the dad of one of the kids I went to school with had done just that. The reason I admire them is because I can identify with and support the cause they fought for. On the other hand, the extreme version of Sharia law that these kids - and and expert on the BBC's Today radio programme this morning estimated that there are about 500 of them from the UK - have gone to fight for is odious to me, so I find what they are doing to be reprehensible. Voltaire said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it," and this makes me stop and think.

On the other hand, when I see footage of ISID people playing football with the skull of a person they executed for being Shiite - whom they consider to be heretics and thus liable to execution under Sharia law - I feel nauseous. Nobody who commits such acts deserves any pardon whatsoever, but you cannot automatically jump to the conclusion that all of the fighters out there are engaged in such heinous conduct.

It is the result of intelligent thinking Tim and I feel the same way. The young lad that spoke on LBC who new people who were going out there and tried to persuade them not to, was a child. He sounded no different to any " you na wat I min" youth. Have you seen the film " Three lions" ? Not much better but he made the decision not to go and persuaded one other. If we as adults can't make up our minds then what chance do they have. We can I suppose close our eyes and go all jingoistic like Milti but I think I'd need a lobotomy as well.

You must have heard the interview with the Cardiff man whose 20-year-old son suddenly turned up on a video from Iraq. The thing is, if I think back to when I was the self same age, 20, I was at university and went through some sort of mental breakdown, then got sucked into left-wing student politics, started mixing with Trotskyites and about a year later was recruited into a small Trotskyist sect for a time (it was only about 10 months). I have another mate who went through a similar process as a young man, except that he was recruited into Scientology! I can honestly say that I never did anything illegal in my time as a Trotskyist and I am actually still quite proud of the small part I played in the opposition to the National Front in the late 70's. One part of me says that this young man should be stripped of his British citizenship and seek refuge in Saudi Arabia after it is all over, if he really likes Sharia law such much, but another part of me says, "Hang on, I've been there and done that, in my own way." This kind of radicalisation among a particular, vulnerable section of youth is perhaps as old as humanity.