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[miltiades]

The UK and the rest of the west should steer clear of these countries, let them sort it out, their way. There are naturally concerns about instability in the entire region, concerns about the all mighty oil, but an intervention will not solve anything, not for as long as these nations are steadfastly refusing to join the rest of the world and become democratic. Frankly, I don't think democracy will ever succeed in the ME, throughout history, dictators have been the only governing body capable of keeping some form of order. The west is rather naïve in thinking that democracy can be implemented in these countries, they are wrong.

[insan]

Give everyone equality (education) and then the world will change.

Absolutely right! Though; oddly enough, there are so many people who are very well educated but on the other hand extremely indoctrinated with inhumane ideologies or causes by their parents, organizations or self-interest groups...

Moreover there's something called relativity! ... that neutralize the brain power and in the end; one way or other leads to primitive, inhumane but powerful be the winner... and you know...

[insan]

The UK and the rest of the west should steer clear of these countries, let them sort it out, their way. There are naturally concerns about instability in the entire region, concerns about the all mighty oil, but an intervention will not solve anything, not for as long as these nations are steadfastly refusing to join the rest of the world and become democratic. Frankly, I don't think democracy will ever succeed in the ME, throughout history, dictators have been the only governing body capable of keeping some form of order. The west is rather naïve in thinking that democracy can be implemented in these countries, they are wrong.

Ahahahaha... as if the west want those countries be democratic, develop and not let the west to exploit them! Ahahahahaha! West looks for more freebies to become more powerful, feed their vote machines with enough salaries and wages, keep themselves in power and lead a luxurious life... Cut their illegal income coming from the east and watch them how would they fight with each other again as they did in the past...

[miltiades]

The UK and the rest of the west should steer clear of these countries, let them sort it out, their way. There are naturally concerns about instability in the entire region, concerns about the all mighty oil, but an intervention will not solve anything, not for as long as these nations are steadfastly refusing to join the rest of the world and become democratic. Frankly, I don't think democracy will ever succeed in the ME, throughout history, dictators have been the only governing body capable of keeping some form of order. The west is rather naïve in thinking that democracy can be implemented in these countries, they are wrong.

Ahahahaha... as if the west want those countries be democratic, develop and not let the west to exploit them! Ahahahahaha! West looks for more freebies to become more powerful, feed their vote machines with enough salaries and wages, keep themselves in power and lead a luxurious life... Cut their illegal income coming from the east and watch them how would they fight with each other again as they did in the past...

Has the East contributed anything to the West in terms of technology, medicine, human rights, welfare or progress ?

[GreekIslandGirl]

Give everyone equality (education) and then the world will change.

Absolutely right! Though; oddly enough, there are so many people who are very well educated but on the other hand extremely indoctrinated with inhumane ideologies or causes by their parents, organizations or self-interest groups...

Moreover there's something called relativity! ... that neutralize the brain power and in the end; one way or other leads to primitive, inhumane but powerful be the winner... and you know...

Insan, you are a little confused. An educated person cannot be indoctrinated.

Are you still taking the turmeric?

[insan]

Give everyone equality (education) and then the world will change.

Absolutely right! Though; oddly enough, there are so many people who are very well educated but on the other hand extremely indoctrinated with inhumane ideologies or causes by their parents, organizations or self-interest groups...

Moreover there's something called relativity! ... that neutralize the brain power and in the end; one way or other leads to primitive, inhumane but powerful be the winner... and you know...

Insan, you are a little confused. An educated person cannot be indoctrinated.

Are you still taking the turmeric?

GreekIslandGirl, I think you mean that an educated person cannot be indoctrinated with "bad"(relative) doctrines, ideologies etc... but i believe that it works for both ways... or just a several educated human beings exist in the world... how about being sometimes merciful but some other times merciless? Or the educated has never gone berserk? maybe rarely...? this subject needs a very deep research i think in order to be able to make generalizations...

As for the trumeric, yes my lovely friend Oracle, i still take it... as usual with 3 in one instant coffee that contains a lil ginseng and guanaro... , also add some ginger in it... love to chew the granules of spicy ginger after the last sip of my cup of coffeee. Nice to still see you around... You sound very lovely...

[insan]

The UK and the rest of the west should steer clear of these countries, let them sort it out, their way. There are naturally concerns about instability in the entire region, concerns about the all mighty oil, but an intervention will not solve anything, not for as long as these nations are steadfastly refusing to join the rest of the world and become democratic. Frankly, I don't think democracy will ever succeed in the ME, throughout history, dictators have been the only governing body capable of keeping some form of order. The west is rather naïve in thinking that democracy can be implemented in these countries, they are wrong.

Ahahahaha... as if the west want those countries be democratic, develop and not let the west to exploit them! Ahahahahaha! West looks for more freebies to become more powerful, feed their vote machines with enough salaries and wages, keep themselves in power and lead a luxurious life... Cut their illegal income coming from the east and watch them how would they fight with each other again as they did in the past...

Has the East contributed anything to the West in terms of technology, medicine, human rights, welfare or progress ?

Milti, i think you've never heard or read about anything about the golden age of islam...

https://www.google.com.cy/search?q=gold ... 7AaahYCIBw

[zan]

Give everyone equality (education) and then the world will change.

Absolutely right! Though; oddly enough, there are so many people who are very well educated but on the other hand extremely indoctrinated with inhumane ideologies or causes by their parents, organizations or self-interest groups...

Moreover there's something called relativity! ... that neutralize the brain power and in the end; one way or other leads to primitive, inhumane but powerful be the winner... and you know...

Insan, you are a little confused. An educated person cannot be indoctrinated.

Are you still taking the turmeric?

GreekIslandGirl, I think you mean that an educated person cannot be indoctrinated with "bad"(relative) doctrines, ideologies etc... but i believe that it works for both ways... or just a several educated human beings exist in the world... how about being sometimes merciful but some other times merciless? Or the educated has never gone berserk? maybe rarely...? this subject needs a very deep research i think in order to be able to make generalizations...

As for the trumeric, yes my lovely friend Oracle, i still take it... as usual with 3 in one instant coffee that contains a lil ginseng and guanaro... , also add some ginger in it... love to chew the granules of spicy ginger after the last sip of my cup of coffeee. Nice to still see you around... You sound very lovely...

I have explained, in the football thread, that the parents on the sidelines of a football pitch behave quite differently to those on a rugby pitch. It is connected with a feeling of fair play. If you feel you are being cheated then you start behaving in the same way trying to find a balance. Intelligence demands fair play and therefore finds cheating harder to accept. Rugby does not allow cheating and can only fall apart with a bad referee that has always been the villain in a bad game, in my experience. Being told constantly that because of your faith you are not worthy, especially when you know different and your accusers are no better than an ape in human guise and ignorantly racist...... Why are some of us surprised. Instilling into English children that just by being English you are automatically superior leads to racism and as recent results have shown, bad results at school. I have even seen this arrogance with supposed intelligent English who expect me to be a subservient "little wog" because of preconceived ideas. I am no longer working with a company, that I have worked for over twenty years, because of this reason. I could no longer accept unreasonable "orders" from a moron.

ASK A SCOT. THEY WILL TELL YOU THE SAME

[miltiades]

I have lived in the UK for 53 years. I have never felt either inferior or in need of special treatment by the natives. I have never experienced animosity because of my origins, and right from the start way back in 1961 I begun admiring the tolerance and general attitudes towards me.

Some expressed derogatory comments, concerning the recently ended struggle by EOKA, including my late father in law, I took all in my stride, I did not have a chip on my shoulder, like Zan might have and got on with my life .

I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT I HAVE NEVER FELT A "FOREIGNER" IN THIS COUNTRY.

[zan]

I have lived in the UK for 53 years. I have never felt either inferior or in need of special treatment by the natives. I have never experienced animosity because of my origins, and right from the start way back in 1961 I begun admiring the tolerance and general attitudes towards me.

Some expressed derogatory comments, concerning the recently ended struggle by EOKA, including my late father in law, I took all in my stride, I did not have a chip on my shoulder, like Zan might have and got on with my life .

I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT I HAVE NEVER FELT A "FOREIGNER" IN THIS COUNTRY.

Because I observe, I know what type of person you are Milti, and you can take this anyway you like, you are a phychological bull in a china shop. You have made up your mind and that's it..... Period. You cannot take what you have written here as an example. You cannot see the daily abuse in newspapers, the polish being the most recent victims and of course, the Muslims who have been in this country for longer than you and who abide by British rules but have their faith judged on a day to day basis. I too have been in this country for just about fifty years but have had my eyes open and have seen racism at all levels beit low level most of the time. I am not caccooned in a shop but, on average, have worked in three council houses/flats a day for forty of those years. I have seen bad and good of varying nationalities. Because I don't look, sound or dress " foreign" people have "confided" in me and I have got into their heads. Some have sat reading the comic that calls itself a news paper, The Sun, and thought they would engage me in conversation about the items they are reading. My experience is not from papers but in the real world. I have to remind you at this point that I have already said some bad and some good because I know your attention span for things that go against your pig headedness is quite low. I have seen Eastern European people who are invited over to work by British bosses who obviously want to make a large profit, turn from hard working people with huge smiles on their faces to bitter resentful men because of this abuse by council tenants and newspapers. I have also seen the drunk polish that have made it to this country living in empty garages and shitting in the bin stores. I have seen decent Brits who have taken some of this in their stride because they see no difference in the shit laden house of the Brit next door. Then I have seen the Brit with the shit laden house having a go at the polish worker for doing exactly as he was told by his boss,and exactly what has been happening for year after year with British workers, somehow being worse because he is polish. My wife who is English, works in the city in a relative high position so I have met professionals as well. I really expected much more tolerance but have observed low level racism even there too. I realise we are frail a species that need to belong and soon brake into groups we are most comfortable with and that is why I too have taken most of it in my stride but these people are educated and work in foreign banks. They travel the world but will still put in a sly remark about the Japanese, or that miserable French woman who doesn't quite fit into their world. These are low level racist remarks as I have said but when it snowballs into the council estates of this country it becomes more sinister and uncontrollable. This is the second thread you have started that is insulting to the thinking person. I asked you to choose your words carefully and find some balance but you carry on in your bullish manner thinking you have all the answers in a sensationalist Sun newspaper like way. You then become defensive the moment a derogatory thing is said about the English. You have no empathy in any way shape or form. You don't give a moments thought for the phychological effects on children that then think it necessary to go half way around the world to get themselves killed. They are wrong wrong wrong but trying to find out what makes them do this is not for you. I maybe have too much empathy and have even imagined me as you and I don't like it. I understand it but don't like your world. They say ignorance is bliss but I say it is a torturous hell. I feel sorry for you and maybe think you need some tough love and that is why I call you a prick. Thank heavens for intelligent English people who comment against such racism and make program's that people like you ignore. Thank heavens for that old couple living in a council flat that have gone through a world war who have love enough for everyone and make me proud to be human. I would not want to live in a world without them.