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[miltiades]

" "If they fully understand British values, they will understand how vastly superior these values are to the barbarism of Isis and its international brigade."

"The paper highlights other Britons linked to the extremists, including Abdel-Majed Abdel Bary from London, whose father, the Telegraph says, was a confidant of Obama bin Laden.

He has posted tweets aimed at his fellow Britons warning of "beheadings in your backyard", the paper adds "

Yet, Zan considers all these as ....a prick would !!!

[Milo]

Miltiades, I think you exaggerate 99% of Muslims in the world ( over 1 billion ) are as law abiding as you and I, in fact they detest the jihadists as much as we all do. So to condemn a whole religion because of a minority of extremists is wrong, in the Christian world we have evil extremists too, facists, they would and have tried to kill an entire race given superiority and they are growing in the western world especially Europe as we speak.

There are nearly two billion Christians in the world, certainly not all law abiding in anyway, and forgive me but I see much more trouble coming from Putin ( orthodox ) than a growing Islam which in effect is actual dying down slowly in the UK. As the young arent all following their parents, as most young don't nowadays.

I don't have a faith, but greatly respect those that do, I love old churches and mosques BOTH of which as a woman I can visit, I have to cover up in the churches in Cyprus not just certain mosques I'm allowed in.

Instead of screaming on forums about crazy people ( of which I admit there are many ) it's far better to understand a different culture to yourself, in particular one that has been radically attacked by old politicians sitting behind desks ordering their young men to go to war for no good reason. We all ( moderates ) need to condemn and to rid the world of jihadists and facists, but it's a big ask, and they are creeping into our societies as we speak. But it's not about war, it's about crushing it from within, and not killing those very women who are already oppressed by more bombs dropped on them and their kids! Those kids grow up to hate, we are the very people making that happen.

Leaving them alone is not an option as we created some of the mess, we need to help out it right, and that other shrek in Russia has a part to play or get out before he causes more unecessary death.

Having just watched a Sunday programme in the UK commentators feel Cyprus may become involved as the SBA bases will be used, plus a few of the UK extremists travelling to Syria used Cyprus to get to Syria it's believed, worse ISIS don't like the existence of The West in Cyprus and if they grew and spread Cyprus may well become a target...

I agree that we need to fight against such jihadists, but what is equally important is to leave these people alone to live the existence they have, just because we don't understand it, doesn't mean it's wrong, it's their life and they mostly lived in peace under despots admittedly until America interceded in all of them. The west has to stop...nothing we've done from ww2 till today has been anything but in our own interest, now we and our children are under threat.

It can be stopped with more brute force, but when will it end.

In my quiet leafy existence in rural UK I don't have or see anything to disturb me, my kids live in London, Manchester, Staffordshire and Australia, all of them have friends from around the world, they don't see the problems the older generation see at all, my son teaches kids in inner city London, he finds Asians in particular much more geared towards education and who do very well, his analysis on that, is the family, much of the west don't have that closeness anymore, we need to bring it back....we moved from Cyprus to the UK to be back amongst our family. I feel safer here, I didn't like being on an occupied island that could flare up at anytime. I didn't expect that feeling at all, but that's what happened.

We are not hated for what we do, but for who we are, you can't change that.

[zan]

Thank you Milo. I have been harsh with Milti because it seems it is the only language he seems to understand. I was ready to blast him again because I really can't believe he us that stupid but I can leave this thread now knowing that there are people in this country that do not fall into the category Milti chooses to put himself. I was further outraged because of his age and his inability to separate the good from the bad. I have worked in areas all my life that have the vast majority of people with no common sense and are easily lead. Uneducated if you like. Don't get me wrong, I come from the same background and maybe that makes it worse for me. Milti is stuck in his own world behind a counter shrouded in cotton wool. I have come to the point where I feel I cannot just turn the other cheek and the voice of reason must be heard. I apologise prefusly if I have offended people like you in any way. I do mean it though, that we are the silent majority and it's time to speak out against such disporportionate behaviour that allows our "leaders" to chase votes for lives. I have no problem condemning these 40 or so "Brits" for their involvement. I was listening to LBC yesterday and a young man phoned in who is a friend to most of these confused young men and he saved at least one of them from going by giving him a script that pointed out "you have greater responsibility to your parents than to ANY war", or something like that, from the Koran. How can these children be anything but confused when their elders do nothing that makes sense. My best wishes go out to you and your family and thanks again.

[miltiades]

Miltiades, I think you exaggerate 99% of Muslims in the world ( over 1 billion ) are as law abiding as you and I, in fact they detest the jihadists as much as we all do. So to condemn a whole religion because of a minority of extremists is wrong, in the Christian world we have evil extremists too, facists, they would and have tried to kill an entire race given superiority and they are growing in the western world especially Europe as we speak.

There are nearly two billion Christians in the world, certainly not all law abiding in anyway, and forgive me but I see much more trouble coming from Putin ( orthodox ) than a growing Islam which in effect is actual dying down slowly in the UK. As the young arent all following their parents, as most young don't nowadays.

I don't have a faith, but greatly respect those that do, I love old churches and mosques BOTH of which as a woman I can visit, I have to cover up in the churches in Cyprus not just certain mosques I'm allowed in.

Instead of screaming on forums about crazy people ( of which I admit there are many ) it's far better to understand a different culture to yourself, in particular one that has been radically attacked by old politicians sitting behind desks ordering their young men to go to war for no good reason. We all ( moderates ) need to condemn and to rid the world of jihadists and facists, but it's a big ask, and they are creeping into our societies as we speak. But it's not about war, it's about crushing it from within, and not killing those very women who are already oppressed by more bombs dropped on them and their kids! Those kids grow up to hate, we are the very people making that happen.

Leaving them alone is not an option as we created some of the mess, we need to help out it right, and that other shrek in Russia has a part to play or get out before he causes more unecessary death.

Having just watched a Sunday programme in the UK commentators feel Cyprus may become involved as the SBA bases will be used, plus a few of the UK extremists travelling to Syria used Cyprus to get to Syria it's believed, worse ISIS don't like the existence of The West in Cyprus and if they grew and spread Cyprus may well become a target...

I agree that we need to fight against such jihadists, but what is equally important is to leave these people alone to live the existence they have, just because we don't understand it, doesn't mean it's wrong, it's their life and they mostly lived in peace under despots admittedly until America interceded in all of them. The west has to stop...nothing we've done from ww2 till today has been anything but in our own interest, now we and our children are under threat.

It can be stopped with more brute force, but when will it end.

In my quiet leafy existence in rural UK I don't have or see anything to disturb me, my kids live in London, Manchester, Staffordshire and Australia, all of them have friends from around the world, they don't see the problems the older generation see at all, my son teaches kids in inner city London, he finds Asians in particular much more geared towards education and who do very well, his analysis on that, is the family, much of the west don't have that closeness anymore, we need to bring it back....we moved from Cyprus to the UK to be back amongst our family. I feel safer here, I didn't like being on an occupied island that could flare up at anytime. I didn't expect that feeling at all, but that's what happened.

We are not hated for what we do, but for who we are, you can't change that.

Milo, I stated this earlier on " the vast majority of Muslims are decent, law abiding family orientated people, they do not rise against these savages because simply they are scared "

And that Milo is the crux of the matter. Millions of muslims the world over remain silent in the face of " stoning a woman to death because her family did not approve of her choice, stoning a woman to death because she dared use a mobile phone. They are scared of the consequences of challenging such savage and barbaric acts.

The ME is in a turmoil, muslims against muslims, where are the moderates to voice their contempt?
The consequences of extreme islamists controlling Iraq or Syria are worrying to the west, quite understandably,
Islamists have no respect for another denomination within the muslim religion , nobody can possibly expect them to respect other religions which they consider as ...infidels. How dare they, take their perverted faith and shove it up their jihadist rears.

[GreekIslandGirl]

.... Millions of muslims the world over remain silent in the face of " stoning a woman to death because her family did not approve of her choice, stoning a woman to death because she dared use a mobile phone. ...

Milty, for me this is more important than fighting the extremists. Extremists (of all kinds) arise as a reaction to the political climate. Politicians from anywhere will capitalise on this when it suits them and their purpose (N.B. Don't you suspect Cameron is preparing to sow fear as a basis on which to be re-elected next year??????)

However, silently, and on a daily basis, endlessly, women around the world are carved up, bodies mutilated, spirits suppressed, rights diminished all in the name of some prophet that arose purely as a reaction against Christianity and Judaism.

Give everyone equality (education) and then the world will change.

[Paphitis]

.... Millions of muslims the world over remain silent in the face of " stoning a woman to death because her family did not approve of her choice, stoning a woman to death because she dared use a mobile phone. ...

Milty, for me this is more important than fighting the extremists. Extremists (of all kinds) arise as a reaction to the political climate. Politicians from anywhere will capitalise on this when it suits them and their purpose (N.B. Don't you suspect Cameron is preparing to sow fear as a basis on which to be re-elected next year??????)

However, silently, and on a daily basis, endlessly, women around the world are carved up, bodies mutilated, spirits suppressed, rights diminished all in the name of some prophet that arose purely as a reaction against Christianity and Judaism.

Give everyone equality (education) and then the world will change.

Cameron has every right to be concerned.

Apparently 150 Australian Citizens have also joined ISIS. Their passports now cancelled and revoked. When they do this, then they should never be allowed to return. You can't trust them to come back and live in our society.

Perhaps Cameron should do the same and be done with it. If they go over to fight for an extremist Islamic Organization then that should be it.

Would the same individuals fight for the UK, their adoptive country? I doubt it.

[miltiades]

The liberalists will be up in arms if the UK was to revoke just one passport, they will let the "enemy within" back amongst us , they will make noises, they will warn us of the risk the nation faces from these perverted returning jihadists, but will do nothing, not until the ultimate happens, and it will happen, I don't want to sound a prophet of doom , but a major catastrophe will happen that will make July 7th fade into insignificance. Their lives mean nothing to them, death is preferred to life, and death they will spread, that's when our political masters will realize the folly of their inaction, but it will be too late.
RIP
Freedom, tolerance, respect for the sanctity of life, equality amongst sexes, all attributes prevailing in the UK right now, but for how long I wonder.

[Paphitis]

The liberalists will be up in arms if the UK was to revoke just one passport, they will let the "enemy within" back amongst us , they will make noises, they will warn us of the risk the nation faces from these perverted returning jihadists, but will do nothing, not until the ultimate happens, and it will happen, I don't want to sound a prophet of doom , but a major catastrophe will happen that will make July 7th fade into insignificance. Their lives mean nothing to them, death is preferred to life, and death they will spread, that's when our political masters will realize the folly of their inaction, but it will be too late.
RIP
Freedom, tolerance, respect for the sanctity of life, equality amongst sexes, all attributes prevailing in the UK right now, but for how long I wonder.

Well, the UK is one f&@ked up country! You guys have lost the plot in an effort to be "politically correct"

These guys don't have any rights. Revoke their passports or face the consequences.

How can you justify them returning back to the UK when it is clear that they will not conform to British social norms?

I am so happy that the Australian Government is non apologetic about protecting my family. As to the "liberals" and lefties - they can get stuffed and suck eggs.

Also reassuring to know that the Authorities know the identities of those that have volunteered to fight for ISIS. Several other shady individuals still under investigation. Good job.

Political Correctness has gone absolutely mad in the UK and innocent people will pay for it one day if these people are allowed back in as if nothing happened. Idiots!

[miltiades]

I'm afraid that the consequences will be inevitable and that the UK will face severe disruptions in all fields of life. Those that decided to join the extreme jihadists out in Syria and Iraq were not driven, as mercenaries were before them, by financial incentives, but a sinister and warped ideology that can not be satisfied once their action in these countries is over.

They have a goal to achieve and will ferociously prosecute such action regardless of consequences to themselves, their families or their country. I do hope that I'm absolutely wrong and that upon their return to the UK they will adjust and blend in with the society.

What drives a young man to self destruction, as earlier said ,not a financial inducement but something that they consider far more precious, martyrdom and a place in heavens. Dangerous ingredients, dynamite about to explode.

[zan]

The liberalists will be up in arms if the UK was to revoke just one passport, they will let the "enemy within" back amongst us , they will make noises, they will warn us of the risk the nation faces from these perverted returning jihadists, but will do nothing, not until the ultimate happens, and it will happen, I don't want to sound a prophet of doom , but a major catastrophe will happen that will make July 7th fade into insignificance. Their lives mean nothing to them, death is preferred to life, and death they will spread, that's when our political masters will realize the folly of their inaction, but it will be too late.
RIP
Freedom, tolerance, respect for the sanctity of life, equality amongst sexes, all attributes prevailing in the UK right now, but for how long I wonder.

Well, the UK is one f&@ked up country! You guys have lost the plot in an effort to be "politically correct"

These guys don't have any rights. Revoke their passports or face the consequences.

How can you justify them returning back to the UK when it is clear that they will not conform to British social norms?

I am so happy that the Australian Government is non apologetic about protecting my family. As to the "liberals" and lefties - they can get stuffed and suck eggs.

Also reassuring to know that the Authorities know the identities of those that have volunteered to fight for ISIS. Several other shady individuals still under investigation. Good job.

Political Correctness has gone absolutely mad in the UK and innocent people will pay for it one day if these people are allowed back in as if nothing happened. Idiots!

The liberals were up in arms about going into Iraq but that didn't stop Blair who is facing the music as we speak. Better Cameron faces the music about passports than sending in the bombers yet again.