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[miltiades]

The greediest ruling elite(a kind of extremists) of western countries have been extremely exploiting especially the islamic countries that have rich resources for hundreds of years... democracy and human rights are only for their elites and close circles in their own country... they keep the so-called modern and democratic system up by extremely exploiting the "3rd world countries" which they named as "3rd world countries"... they always want to be on top by all means... they don't let weaker countries to develop and get stronger... ohhh baby baby it's wild west.... ehhh... hahahahaha! you call it humanized, democratic west ehh... How comes... how comes the ordinary people who one way or other are aware of being extremely exploited by the elites of the west and their local compradors not become an extremists for any costs? Create the beast and then ask your ordinary people to fight against them... ohhh yess... the name of the real game is pushing the ordinary people of whole world into a big war and do anything they can to just a few million "servants" stay alive for their new world order... modern, democratic, civilized west eh? ahahahahahahaaha!

Indeed ! We have democracy, we have human rights, freedom of speech, thought and freedom to believe in the nonsense of a creator or not. We can criticise Christianity without the fear of having our throat slashed. We love our way of life, our women are free to dress as they please, they are not second class citizens, they can smile to anyone, they can talk to anyone and choose their partner. Yes this is the West, not the dark ages who stone a woman to death for daring to use a mobile phone. If our West is not acceptable to them they can return to their shitholes and praise their false god a hundred times a day.
Almost forgot, we can eat and drink whatever takes our fancy, this is freedom this is democracy this is the West.

Reh Milti... you still are not aware of that what you believe you have and what you supposedly have all come from the extreme exploitation of the rich resources of the east by your beloved "satanic" elites?

I live in the West, I love our culture, I cherish our fundamental irrevocable human rights , the choice we have from birth to grave to express our views without the fear of been slaughtered, those who have, on their own will, decided to come to live amongst us have to accept our way of life, our culture, our freedoms, if not to their liking off they jolly well go, back to their hell where sanctity of life does not exist, where death is preferred to life.

As for exploiting the natural wealth of these countries, well they are so bloody lucky, without the West they would still be living in tents and killing each other with machetes instead of ....modern warfare, without the west they would still travel on mules donkeys and camels, instead they have modern transport, trains, cars, aircraft all provided by the West.They have much to thank the west, no doubt they have poured into the western world in order to escape their hell.

[zan]

The greediest ruling elite(a kind of extremists) of western countries have been extremely exploiting especially the islamic countries that have rich resources for hundreds of years... democracy and human rights are only for their elites and close circles in their own country... they keep the so-called modern and democratic system up by extremely exploiting the "3rd world countries" which they named as "3rd world countries"... they always want to be on top by all means... they don't let weaker countries to develop and get stronger... ohhh baby baby it's wild west.... ehhh... hahahahaha! you call it humanized, democratic west ehh... How comes... how comes the ordinary people who one way or other are aware of being extremely exploited by the elites of the west and their local compradors not become an extremists for any costs? Create the beast and then ask your ordinary people to fight against them... ohhh yess... the name of the real game is pushing the ordinary people of whole world into a big war and do anything they can to just a few million "servants" stay alive for their new world order... modern, democratic, civilized west eh? ahahahahahahaaha!

Indeed ! We have democracy, we have human rights, freedom of speech, thought and freedom to believe in the nonsense of a creator or not. We can criticise Christianity without the fear of having our throat slashed. We love our way of life, our women are free to dress as they please, they are not second class citizens, they can smile to anyone, they can talk to anyone and choose their partner. Yes this is the West, not the dark ages who stone a woman to death for daring to use a mobile phone. If our West is not acceptable to them they can return to their shitholes and praise their false god a hundred times a day.
Almost forgot, we can eat and drink whatever takes our fancy, this is freedom this is democracy this is the West.

Reh Milti... you still are not aware of that what you believe you have and what you supposedly have all come from the extreme exploitation of the rich resources of the east by your beloved "satanic" elites?

I live in the West, I love our culture, I cherish our fundamental irrevocable human rights , the choice we have from birth to grave to express our views without the fear of been slaughtered, those who have, on their own will, decided to come to live amongst us have to accept our way of life, our culture, our freedoms, if not to their liking off they jolly well go, back to their hell where sanctity of life does not exist, where death is preferred to life.

As for exploiting the natural wealth of these countries, well they are so bloody lucky, without the West they would still be living in tents and killing each other with machetes instead of ....modern warfare, without the west they would still travel on mules donkeys and camels, instead they have modern transport, trains, cars, aircraft all provided by the West.They have much to thank the west, no doubt they have poured into the western world in order to escape their hell.

The same thoughts you had whilst killing British soldiers in the name of ENOSIS and then starting on the TCs. You might even get me to believe in god if you carry on for you surely have sold your soul to the Devil

Your democracy allows.....no, demands.... That you question what your government does in your name. We are not saying that the west is totally evil but some balance must be found because when you tell them to go back to where they came, they will still find the western world interfering in their lives. Leave them alone and they might leave us alone. Simple common sense.

Ps. Love the bit about modern weapons being better than a machete. What a twisted mind you really have

[miltiades]

What a moron you are !! The liberation struggle against British occupation was morally correct, every nation has the right to be free.
EOKA did not use suicide barbarians to massacre innocent people indiscriminately and intentionally, neither did they plant bombs in Cafes, in market places, at funeral processions or churches.

The British looked after their interests as indeed all superpowers have done throughout history.

Perhaps you can tell me how many T/Cs were killed during the inter communal strife as well as the number of G/Cs.

You are the epitome of a snake in the grass, you endeavour to present an image of a peace loving man where if you had the chance you would join the jihadis and carry forward their including their barbaric and sinister dream of turning the west into the same shithole as their nations.
LONG LIVE THE WEST, LONG LIVE AMERICA THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH ( After Cyprus, occupied parts included)
By the way, what the hell are you doing in the UK, isn't it time to return , Im here because I respect the British way of life, I abide by their culture, their traditions, I don't want to change anything.

[insan]

The greediest ruling elite(a kind of extremists) of western countries have been extremely exploiting especially the islamic countries that have rich resources for hundreds of years... democracy and human rights are only for their elites and close circles in their own country... they keep the so-called modern and democratic system up by extremely exploiting the "3rd world countries" which they named as "3rd world countries"... they always want to be on top by all means... they don't let weaker countries to develop and get stronger... ohhh baby baby it's wild west.... ehhh... hahahahaha! you call it humanized, democratic west ehh... How comes... how comes the ordinary people who one way or other are aware of being extremely exploited by the elites of the west and their local compradors not become an extremists for any costs? Create the beast and then ask your ordinary people to fight against them... ohhh yess... the name of the real game is pushing the ordinary people of whole world into a big war and do anything they can to just a few million "servants" stay alive for their new world order... modern, democratic, civilized west eh? ahahahahahahaaha!

Indeed ! We have democracy, we have human rights, freedom of speech, thought and freedom to believe in the nonsense of a creator or not. We can criticise Christianity without the fear of having our throat slashed. We love our way of life, our women are free to dress as they please, they are not second class citizens, they can smile to anyone, they can talk to anyone and choose their partner. Yes this is the West, not the dark ages who stone a woman to death for daring to use a mobile phone. If our West is not acceptable to them they can return to their shitholes and praise their false god a hundred times a day.
Almost forgot, we can eat and drink whatever takes our fancy, this is freedom this is democracy this is the West.

Reh Milti... you still are not aware of that what you believe you have and what you supposedly have all come from the extreme exploitation of the rich resources of the east by your beloved "satanic" elites?

Yeah... since the end of ww2, "you" supposedly have almost everything in every field of life... until when? How long will it last? Ruling elites of the world have the power to change the orders all for their own interests... in their writings and speeches, they frequently; openly or in disguise,talk about a new world order... a one world government... a government with the worlds elites that only needs a few million servants to keep the new order up and working... Such a world order would be a kind of paradise on earth for them... Do u really think they would care about your freedoms, democracy and human rights when the times come to create such a world order for themselves...?

[miltiades]

What is the point you are trying to make ? Do you consider the threat posed by " British" jhadists returning to the UK from killing fields unfounded? This is what this thread is about.

[zan]

What a moron you are !! The liberation struggle against British occupation was morally correct, every nation has the right to be free.
EOKA did not use suicide barbarians to massacre innocent people indiscriminately and intentionally, neither did they plant bombs in Cafes, in market places, at funeral processions or churches.

The British looked after their interests as indeed all superpowers have done throughout history.

Perhaps you can tell me how many T/Cs were killed during the inter communal strife as well as the number of G/Cs.

You are the epitome of a snake in the grass, you endeavour to present an image of a peace loving man where if you had the chance you would join the jihadis and carry forward their including their barbaric and sinister dream of turning the west into the same shithole as their nations.
LONG LIVE THE WEST, LONG LIVE AMERICA THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH ( After Cyprus, occupied parts included)
By the way, what the hell are you doing in the UK, isn't it time to return , Im here because I respect the British way of life, I abide by their culture, their traditions, I don't want to change anything.

Did I hit a nerve always on the side of right hey Milti.

What am I doing in UK......because EOKA scum like you drove me and my family out. I love this country but I will not be a slave to hypocrisy like you. I have no reason for violence. I have my vote and Cameron will not get it. If the next guy is on the wrong side then I will be a thorn in his side as my democratic rights allow. I do not change allegiance like you whenever I feel the right to kill. Enough is enough for these criminals masquerading as leaders. It is my right to non violent protest. Decent people around the world stand up and be counted.

[insan]

What is the point you are trying to make ? Do you consider the threat posed by " British" jhadists returning to the UK from killing fields unfounded? This is what this thread is about.

No... I believe that the whole mess which has been going on for a few decades all around the world including every global related mess around you is a part of their new world order plan(The great Brits and the greatest nation of earth can't be so stupid otherwise ) that will eventually and seems like very soon lead us into a new world wide catastrophe... a new totalitarian regime that will force you forget about your freedoms, democracy and human rights... if you are lucky enough to survive of course... Or maybe you are in the elite circles?

[repulsewarrior]

zan, I'm not sure why I have to be used as your foil in a debate you are having with milti; I appreciate you recall the word reverend when thinking of my words, I certainly don't want to be viewed as a "Greek", or a "Turk", I work hard at it, because I know that our readership in that way will see that both "sides" are flawed in and of themselves, but that there exists a greater picture, which, if we accept the extremists' existence, by the extremists' account is of no relevance. I love Cyprus, and frankly I don't believe that one "must" be "Greek" or "Turkish" to want to "be" Cypriot, I don't believe that Cyprus, "belongs" to either one of them, I imagine, like anyone who has the same feelings, for Cyprus, that integration is no burden, frankly even in my misery as it is today, without Freedom of Association, and limited Freedom of Movement, belonging to it (a movement, for Cyprus) remains a pleasure because it is enriching as an experience; "this", must stop.

...unlike in England, where a Great Britain exists as a State, under which the English, like the Scots, Cornish, and the Welsh, submitted, to Citizenship without distinction or discrimination, to become Individuals, Cypriots, few at least, have not actually caught up to the idea that Cyprus, and their State is (or must be) founded on Universal Principals, (not having at least a common language on which to form another identity), as a Humanity, that Cyprus as a Country was given its due by Mankind to demonstrate this effect, of the Modern Age.

...unlike England, that Country has gone full circle it seems, what with the results of Imperialism, an equal and opposite reaction to it, a kind of "osmosis" it seems, so too in Cyprus I guess, some time in the future, a demography that is quite different to the one that exists today perhaps, but who will continue to seek Justice seen, and that, for all; we can as Humans adapt to, or resist, the future, as a changing force, it remains unstoppable.

@ insan, no music allowed, no toys for children, no school for girls, no voice once labelled infidel (Muslim or not). and I'm sure if you meet people on the street, they are no different, in "that" country, whatever country you insist is being exploited by "the West", as compared to any other Country, whether supported by the west, as you say, or being the West (have I missed out any countries?). why, because as Human beings, we are no different. I ask you, do you expect "the West", but let's just say the rest of the world, should show their piousness to the glory of one God, by renouncing music, toys, any education to women, and all education, to teach only a chosen set of God's work to men? and if you are old enough, or if it is your circumstance, are your children educated to support these values, would you want them to? easy for you to say if you live in a hole somewhere in Afghanistan, with a generator running and nothing to loose (foreign powers are out to get you), or you are a Jihadist who is made to feel that the resources are there, seemingly endless, behind you, and/even after you leave us for a better sphere there is a "brotherhood" to care for who you leave behind, or, you feel somehow "inside" enough so that when the calamity falls (because it will, "we" will make it happen so that it is perfect), you/"you" don't get hurt. it just sounds like hypocrisy, or apologetics defending "them". otherwise, perhaps you can explain how your existence among "us" is a harmony, what values in "us" exist for you to remain one of "us" (a "Western" thinking person) which can also sustain the "them", like the Golden Dawn, but as Jihadists at this point who represent their views with even more extreme?

...as a Canadian, I do not feel shame, that they fought in Afghanistan, nor for the reason that Canada chose to go there, and not in Iraq. frankly I am glad that the "problems" Canadians caused to happen (from a Jihadist's viewpoint) there include, educated children who sing, and who enjoy play.

[zan]

zan, I'm not sure why I have to be used as your foil in a debate you are having with milti; I appreciate you recall the word reverend when thinking of my words, I certainly don't want to be viewed as a "Greek", or a "Turk", I work hard at it, because I know that our readership in that way will see that both "sides" are flawed in and of themselves, but that there exists a greater picture, which, if we accept the extremists' existence, by the extremists' account is of no relevance. I love Cyprus, and frankly I don't believe that one "must" be "Greek" or "Turkish" to want to "be" Cypriot, I don't believe that Cyprus, "belongs" to either one of them, I imagine, like anyone who has the same feelings, for Cyprus, that integration is no burden, frankly even in my misery as it is today, without Freedom of Association, and limited Freedom of Movement, belonging to it (a movement, for Cyprus) remains a pleasure because it is enriching as an experience; "this", must stop.

...unlike in England, where a Great Britain exists as a State, under which the English, like the Scots, Cornish, and the Welsh, submitted, to Citizenship without distinction or discrimination, to become Individuals, Cypriots, few at least, have not actually caught up to the idea that Cyprus, and their State is (or must be) founded on Universal Principals, (not having at least a common language on which to form another identity), as a Humanity, that Cyprus as a Country was given its due by Mankind to demonstrate this effect, of the Modern Age.

...unlike England, that Country has gone full circle it seems, what with the results of Imperialism, an equal and opposite reaction to it, a kind of "osmosis" it seems, so too in Cyprus I guess, some time in the future, a demography that is quite different to the one that exists today perhaps, but who will continue to seek Justice seen, and that, for all; we can as Humans adapt to, or resist, the future, as a changing force, it remains unstoppable.

@ insan, no music allowed, no toys for children, no school for girls, no voice once labelled infidel (Muslim or not). and I'm sure if you meet people on the street, they are no different, in "that" country, whatever country you insist is being exploited by "the West", as compared to any other Country, whether supported by the west, as you say, or being the West (have I missed out any countries?). why, because as Human beings, we are no different. I ask you, do you expect "the West", but let's just say the rest of the world, should show their piousness to the glory of one God, by renouncing music, toys, any education to women, and all education, to teach only a chosen set of God's work to men? and if you are old enough, or if it is your circumstance, are your children educated to support these values, would you want them to? easy for you to say if you live in a hole somewhere in Afghanistan, with a generator running and nothing to loose (foreign powers are out to get you), or you are a Jihadist who is made to feel that the resources are there, seemingly endless, behind you, and/even after you leave us for a better sphere there is a "brotherhood" to care for who you leave behind, or, you feel somehow "inside" enough so that when the calamity falls (because it will, "we" will make it happen so that it is perfect), you/"you" don't get hurt. it just sounds like hypocrisy, or apologetics defending "them". otherwise, perhaps you can explain how your existence among "us" is a harmony, what values in "us" exist for you to remain one of "us" (a "Western" thinking person) which can also sustain the "them", like the Golden Dawn, but as Jihadists at this point who represent their views with even more extreme?

...as a Canadian, I do not feel shame, that they fought in Afghanistan, nor for the reason that Canada chose to go there, and not in Iraq. frankly I am glad that the "problems" Canadians caused to happen (from a Jihadist's viewpoint) there include, educated children who sing, and who enjoy play.

Did you not throw in your hat by posting? Then why ask why? You are saying the same hypocritical rubbish that Milti is saying. No toys....... What Have you read anything that has been posted? That the west was responsible for replacing secularism with religion? Then you talk rubbish about countries you know nothing about. About children going to school with western bombs exploding in the background and while mothers SING to their children. What the hell are you talking about. You are fed with images and you scoop them up with both hands and fatten your belly with rubbish. Have you read about the prostitution problems and the spreading of aids in India? Sounds as if they are no different to me. Some places are under certain unsavoury laws but that does not cover the whole story. And to recap, a western man made problem. The present threat is in the form of America playing Abdula Gul and Erdogan against each other in order to control the Muslim world. They WERE working together at first but Erdogan fell out of flavour and nor Gulen is Americas front man. Wake up!!!

As for your sermons......you speak of some unifying force that love and flowers will bring about but then condemn in the very next breath. I went to a christening like that once. An hour of condemnation of the human spirit and then a christening welcoming a child to Christ. What a load of hypocritical gobshite.

Perhaps I should believe all Canadians are thick and boring like the Americans portray them to be or the British are villains.

[miltiades]

RW, I applaud your common sense and your conviction that you are a Cypriot and not a Greek or a Turk, sentiments I have expressed numerous times. The two contributors namely Zan and Ishan have yet to develop mature and realistic views as regards the Islamist threat the entire civilized world is facing. They will defend any barbaric actions committed by the extremist and put the blame on the west, this is the mind-set of all jihadis and these two, believe me, fully support any brutality committed by these sick people putting the blame squarely on the west.

Both were born muslims but have yet to accept that this faith has been taken over by extremists bent on spreading their distorted interpretation throughout Europe and the west.

In Pakistan recently, outside a court, a woman was stoned to death, a thousand or more people standing by watching the woman being stoned to death, amongst the savages engaged in such a despicable act, her own family...

Im convinced that the west and in particular Britain are in danger of being polluted by these savages who will stop at nothing in their quest to spread their sick and perverted ideology. Islam means peace, the vast majority of Muslims are decent, law abiding family orientated people, they do not rise against these savages because simply they are scared.

The west has to wake up and face this threat head on, we do not wish to go back to the dark ages, we do not wish our democratic processes being hijacked by these scum.

Zan, a confused individual, says that he left Cyprus because he and his family were forced to do so. Its 40 years ago, but he is till bitter, does not consider the plight of thousands of Cypriots forced to abandon their ancestral lands following the barbaric invasion of our country.

I have on numerous occasions expressed by utter condemnation of what followed after EOKA, ie the scum that formed EOKAB,I have stated repeatedly that Cyprus belongs to all its people, all Cypriots. I have never, in more than 10,000 posts uttered one spiteful word directed at the T/Cs whom I consider as my brothers, my compatriots , I have expressed my utter horror at acts that were committed by the extremists
without revering to justifications as to the reasons behind such acts.

I do the same now and I condemn the acts of the jihadis, I accept the treat highlighted by the UK Prime Minister, these two just dismiss it, Zan calling me a prick. What a bloody idiot.
Mate you are a prospective jihadist your self !