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[insan]

"An explosion in the Muslim population and an aging Christian demographic could mean Islam will be the dominant religion in the UK in 10 years."

Millions lost their lives fighting the Nazis in two world wars. Fighting for freedom, democracy and human rights, ingredients that are very much absent from all Islamic nations. The UK is a tolerant and a democratic nation, will never permit "islamization" taking over regardless of how many third world theocracies enter the country.

That's why they all became imperialists and colonialists...

Milti, know that i don't segregate between people, religion, culture etc but only as good and bad i segregate them... in essence they are all the same... though it's still relative... however it's crystal clear that a healthy mind is depended on several sociological, economical and psychological elements... when these elements intentionally or unintentionally were corrupted, weakened, abused etc by some powerful external and/or internal interest groups; there starts the declension in all fields of life... this is the problem in essentials... the greedy elites be it in the west or in the east are in collaboration to make the innocent ordinary people suffer in all fields of life... they are the ones creating the beasts and push them fight to kill each other... why? They are not able to control the huge world population as how they wish... they afraid of losing their huge wealth to the masses... they want to reduce the population to a point that they will be able to take the people's full control... it's not a conspiricy theory... it's crystal clear... no one can stop them... even the freedom, democracy and human rights you supposedly have... they will soon be expired... so what? May all their inhumane plans fail and the ordinary, innocent, good people of whole world converge to peace, justice, prosperity and true knowledge...

Unlike you I do very much differentiate between a culture that determines a woman has to be killed for choosing the wrong partner, according to her family, or a woman has to be killed for using a mobile phone.You have it all wrong I'm afraid.
Right now you have people whose culture is totally alien to western culture involved in atrocities against people of the same beliefs, ie in Iraq and Syria.

There are savages who blow themselves up at funeral processions, markets, public places and indiscriminately and intentionally murder innocent bystanders.

Yes, I do indeed differentiate between cultures that restrict a womans human right to marry who she pleases, a woman that is mutilated so as to eliminate a part of her body so that she feels no enjoyment herself but offers enjoyment to her man. A disgusting archaic and barbaric cultural act. No we are not all the same.

However you still deny the creators of the beasts... it's not God or nature...

"The well known American writer, Draper, wrote: "During the period of the caliphs, the learned men of the Christians and the Jews were not only held in high esteem but were appointed to posts of great responsibility, and were promoted to high ranking positions in government. Haroon Rasheed appointed John the son of Maswaih, the Director of Public Instruction and all the schools and colleges were placed under his charge. He (Haroon) never considered to which country a learned person belonged nor his faith and belief, but only his excellence in the field of learning."

Sir Mark Syce, writing on the qualities of Muslim rule during the period of Haroon Rasheed said: "The Christians, the idolaters, the Jews and the Muslims as workers running the Islamic State were at work with equal zeal."

Liefy Brutistal wrote in his book: "Spain of the Tenth Century: So often the scribe writing out the terms of a treaty was a Jew or a Christian. Just as many Jews and Christians were holding charge of important posts in the State. And they were vested with authority in the administrative departments, even in matters of war and peace. And there were several Jews who acted as the ambassadors of the Caliph in European countries."

Islam’s Golden Age has many lessons to teach the greedy and terrorized world of today.

Why did it all end?

Why did Islam's Golden Age come to an end? What forces shifted both political power and learning from the Islamic Empire to Christian Europe? Like all historical trends, the explanations are complex; yet some broad outlines may be identified, both within and without Muslim lands."

http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_4 ... _islam.htm

[repulsewarrior]

...thank you milti, for the sober thought.

@insan, it sounds like you are an apologists for something or someone. who is this "they" you talk about, and who is the "them" who are doing any better? if you are trying to tell me that Jihadists are good because "the elite" are bad, I am sorry they are two sides of the same coin. no coin means what?

...indeed, if there is a failing in the West, it is the lessons we did not learn from the First World War, although now we realise that we should not fight each other, and that there are bigger enemies we can fight, have we? indeed we have, but not enough, so many among us continue to ignore the truth, so long as Hatred itself has not found a place where it can grow without the guns we use to kill for war, enemies like, Hunger and Disease, or Ignorance, thrive. what other use do these bombs have whether Jihadist or the "they" that you allude to, if not for their own denial?

...in any case, the "they" are Individuals no different because they live and die, even as Persons, individuals do not stay the same, one can hope. Jihadists as a movement, one hopes will grow out of their reasoning to kill and maim "other" people helps them, (they can be fighters just as lethal against suffering, otherwise). but they should be treated as Criminal Psychopaths, whatever Person anyone may claim to be they are Individuals, this is the here and now, if they commit themselves to murder (or suicide by war), if they come back, what is the reason, even if they've become super-patriots instead, it does not mean as an individual their psyche has not changed. they may demonstrate a change, that could be enlightening, if not, they are welcome to (medical) prison, first.

[miltiades]

I'm concerned with the present and not history books and writings about the past.

Events taking place in some nations right now are repulsive to every human being, cultural practices or rather malpractices are an insult to the human race. One such repulsive act is happening right now in Syria and Iraq as well as in many other third world countries.

To commend a civilization that took place hundreds of years ago, and this is debatable, is absurd, what counts is what is taking place now in the 21st century. To kill and abuse in the name of a fictitious non existent god is despicable, I have no respect for any culture that driven by mythology commits the most hideous crimes.

[zan]

Insan,

It's no good trying to explain to someone who takes undeniable criminal incidents, who WERE arrested BTW as should be, however isolated as an excuse to kill 160,000 men in one night while screaming "yehaw, it's like a Turkey shoot" leaving 160,000 mothers to cry over their sons, as retribution. People he calls savages that he pretends to care about. No good pussyfooting around a self righteous prick waving a sword in his own crusade most people would kill for their country with trepidation not with perverted satisfaction and false justification.



http://youtu.be/hhmXleZXAr0

[insan]

Insan,

It's no good trying to explain to someone who takes undeniable criminal incidents, who WERE arrested BTW as should be, however isolated as an excuse to kill 160,000 men in one night while screaming "yehaw, it's like a Turkey shoot" leaving 160,000 mothers to cry over their sons, as retribution. People he calls savages that he pretends to care about. No good pussyfooting around a self righteous prick waving a sword in his own crusade most people would kill for their country with trepidation not with perverted satisfaction and false justification.

I agree with you Zan... he doesn't even has a scientific view point... he ignores the past... this means he ignores to see the roots and development of the problems because it suits his self-rightous view point... he doesn't want to be a part of solution but instead he wants to be a part of the problem and spred it to others too...

[repulsewarrior]

...you think Jihdists are out to solve "our" problems?

[repulsewarrior]

"An explosion in the Muslim population and an aging Christian demographic could mean Islam will be the dominant religion in the UK in 10 years."

Millions lost their lives fighting the Nazis in two world wars. Fighting for freedom, democracy and human rights, ingredients that are very much absent from all Islamic nations. The UK is a tolerant and a democratic nation, will never permit "islamization" taking over regardless of how many third world theocracies enter the country.

That's why they all became imperialists and colonialists...

Milti, know that i don't segregate between people, religion, culture etc but only as good and bad i segregate them... in essence they are all the same... though it's still relative... however it's crystal clear that a healthy mind is depended on several sociological, economical and psychological elements... when these elements intentionally or unintentionally were corrupted, weakened, abused etc by some powerful external and/or internal interest groups; there starts the declension in all fields of life... this is the problem in essentials... the greedy elites be it in the west or in the east are in collaboration to make the innocent ordinary people suffer in all fields of life... they are the ones creating the beasts and push them fight to kill each other... why? They are not able to control the huge world population as how they wish... they afraid of losing their huge wealth to the masses... they want to reduce the population to a point that they will be able to take the people's full control... it's not a conspiricy theory... it's crystal clear... no one can stop them... even the freedom, democracy and human rights you supposedly have... they will soon be expired... so what? May all their inhumane plans fail and the ordinary, innocent, good people of whole world converge to peace, justice, prosperity and true knowledge...

Unlike you I do very much differentiate between a culture that determines a woman has to be killed for choosing the wrong partner, according to her family, or a woman has to be killed for using a mobile phone.You have it all wrong I'm afraid.
Right now you have people whose culture is totally alien to western culture involved in atrocities against people of the same beliefs, ie in Iraq and Syria.

There are savages who blow themselves up at funeral processions, markets, public places and indiscriminately and intentionally murder innocent bystanders.

Yes, I do indeed differentiate between cultures that restrict a womans human right to marry who she pleases, a woman that is mutilated so as to eliminate a part of her body so that she feels no enjoyment herself but offers enjoyment to her man. A disgusting archaic and barbaric cultural act. No we are not all the same.

However you still deny the creators of the beasts... it's not God or nature...

"The well known American writer, Draper, wrote: "During the period of the caliphs, the learned men of the Christians and the Jews were not only held in high esteem but were appointed to posts of great responsibility, and were promoted to high ranking positions in government. Haroon Rasheed appointed John the son of Maswaih, the Director of Public Instruction and all the schools and colleges were placed under his charge. He (Haroon) never considered to which country a learned person belonged nor his faith and belief, but only his excellence in the field of learning."

Sir Mark Syce, writing on the qualities of Muslim rule during the period of Haroon Rasheed said: "The Christians, the idolaters, the Jews and the Muslims as workers running the Islamic State were at work with equal zeal."

Liefy Brutistal wrote in his book: "Spain of the Tenth Century: So often the scribe writing out the terms of a treaty was a Jew or a Christian. Just as many Jews and Christians were holding charge of important posts in the State. And they were vested with authority in the administrative departments, even in matters of war and peace. And there were several Jews who acted as the ambassadors of the Caliph in European countries."

Islam’s Golden Age has many lessons to teach the greedy and terrorized world of today.

Why did it all end?

Why did Islam's Golden Age come to an end? What forces shifted both political power and learning from the Islamic Empire to Christian Europe? Like all historical trends, the explanations are complex; yet some broad outlines may be identified, both within and without Muslim lands."


http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_4 ... _islam.htm

lol, I thought that was milti who wrote that (highlighted in blue), you really are an apologists, insan.

...there is a lot to be said for Freedom, and open-minds.

[zan]

...you think Jihdists are out to solve "our" problems?

They are in the same group as Milti. What we want is a balance.

[zan]

The pendulum swings RW. For every action............it does not mean its a statement or a belief.....unlike Milti

[Get Real!]

It's no good trying to explain to someone who takes undeniable criminal incidents, who WERE arrested BTW as should be, however isolated as an excuse to kill 160,000 men in one night while screaming "yehaw, it's like a Turkey shoot" leaving 160,000 mothers to cry over their sons, as retribution. People he calls savages that he pretends to care about. No good pussyfooting around a self righteous prick waving a sword in his own crusade most people would kill for their country with trepidation not with perverted satisfaction and false justification.

Despicable little characters like Milti and Psoritis should be incarcerated for life for their sheer stupidity.

On a good day I may be tempted to throw an onion in their cell just to give them a little stimulation.